TWU Local 514 Special Meeting at the UMAC

[The Dissident]

According to your reasoning: we should expect nothing from Pelosi and Reid and probably nothing from President Clinton.

CORRECTAMUNDO. I lived in Nevada and witnessed Reid's underhandedness. As for Pelosi she is nothing but an ex hippie that realized she couldnt make money smoking dope and sold out to the establishment that she hated so much. And for clinton she is getting all of her money from the chinese goverment. Who do you think she is goiong to be beholdin to.

 

[The Goose]

According to your reasoning: we should expect nothing from Pelosi and Reid and probably nothing from President Clinton.

While there's much made about Democrats and Republicans and which is "better", at that level it doesn't matter. All are for sale to the highest bidder and have the same goals, regardless of diatribe.

To answer your question (my opinion) re: Pelosi, Reid and Clinton, I expect them to do the bidding of who pays them the most.

 

[Raptor]

Hell no.

I voted three times NOT build a new union hall, and it was built anyway.

I tried to run for Union Office, they wouldn't let me.

I have been called out of order enough times that I lost count.

The reason nobody goes to these meetings is because they voted out the incumbents, but somehow they remain. They voted against building a new union hall, it was built anyway.
The International successfully argued in Federal Court that they can modifiy or change the labor agreement without membership ratification. You can only waste a dues paying members time and effort for so long using anti-democratic tactics and pretty soon, you have weak company union that everyone hates but will not put forth effort to change. Apathy will take over and the problem will be compounded because there are no more watchdogs even bothering to watch the pathetic pieces of crap in action.

Now why would I waste my time going to a meeting that is nothing more than a farce attempting to cover up the anti-democratic truth about the TWU?

I had better things to do, like working to supplement the pay and benefit cut that the TWU handed out using a "without further ratification" signature of Jim Little.

I have no desire or need to ever attend another TWU so-called "union meeting".

HELL NO, I DIDNT GO!

Hey I don't blame you at all, it was a huge waste of time but I'm sure your already knew it would be.
you made the right call

By the way there was NO question and Answer session, I guess they were not interested in talking to anyone just a quick 45 Minute speech and they were off.

 

[Raptor]

Brother,
No offense taken, it's just that too many think that one party or the other will save our futures when history has shown that both parties are equal opportunity with resepct to a diminshed standard of living for workers and more votes, through preservation or increase of service, for them.

The old saying still holds true: "If you are in aviation and want a friend: get a dog."

I agree Boomer, neither party is for us, they are both for the rich, just in a little different way.

Don't look for Government to save you, because it won't happen.

 

[scorpion]

THE TWU IS A MESS IN NYC TOO.LOCAL 100 IS IN DIRE STRAIGHTS.THE PRESIDENT ,ROGER TOUSSAINT HAS EMERGED AS A COMPLETE DICTATOR.WE SEEM TO HAVE SIMILAR PROBLEMS.ELECTIONS ARENT RECOGNIZED AT LOCAL 100 EITHER.UNION DEMOCRACY IS A THING OF THE PAST.TOUSSAINT AND LITTLE HAVE BECOME VERY CLOSE ALLIES.LITTLE IS RUMORED TO BE CONCERNED WITH HIS LACK OF SUPPORT IN THE ATD,SO HE FORMED AN ALLIANCE WITH THE BASTARD TOUSSAINT TO ATTEMPT TO SECURE HIMSELF DELEGATE SUPPORT AT THE CONVENTION.LITTLE HAS UNDERESTIMATED THE DEGREE TO WHICH THE RANK AND FILE HATE TOUSSAINT.HE ALLIED HIMSELF WITH THE WRONG GUY.IS BURCHETTE STILL INVOLVED IN THE DAY TO DAY AFFAIRS OF 514?

No burchette left for the international about 4 or 5 months shyof his term ending in july of this year.
He still has authority to F with the locals though.

 

[Bob Owens]

According to your reasoning: we should expect nothing from Pelosi and Reid and probably nothing from President Clinton.

Both parties are owned by the same people.

If working class people vote Republican then it is assumed that they are economically satisfied and more concerned about Homosexuals getting married, abortion and worried that AlQuida is going to attack them.

If working class people vote Democratic the ruling class start throwing crumbs. However if the Democratic crumbs arent enough and working class people start voting Socialist or heaven forbid Communist then they panic and pass laws legalizing unions, the right to strike, Social Security, 40 hour work week etc.

There is a way to fix our system without resorting to revolution, Socialism or Communism. Confine the political system to those who are entitled to participate-voters. If you cant vote-you cant participate, that means no lobbying and no campaign contributions. Why should foreign governments and multinational corporation that owe allegience to no country be given access to our politicians? Why should they be allowed to take part in the political proces by funding campaigns? If they were supposed to be allowed then they would be able to cast a ballott.

But then again, if we cant get Democracy within our piddaly union what are the odds of getting it on a National scale? Well, its been done before!

 

[Bob Owens]

According to your reasoning: we should expect nothing from Pelosi and Reid and probably nothing from President Clinton.

Both parties are owned by the same people.

If working class people vote Republican then it is assumed that they are economically satisfied and more concerned about Homosexuals getting married, abortion and worried that AlQuida is going to attack them.

If working class people vote Democratic the ruling class start throwing crumbs. However if the Democratic crumbs arent enough and working class people start voting Socialist or heaven forbid Communist then they panic and pass laws legalizing unions, the right to strike, Social Security, 40 hour work week etc.

There is a way to fix our system without resorting to revolution, Socialism or Communism. Confine the political system to those who are entitled to participate-voters. If you cant vote-you cant participate, that means no lobbying and no campaign contributions. Why should foreign governments and multinational corporation that owe allegience to no country be given access to our politicians? Why should they be allowed to take part in the political proces by funding campaigns? If they were supposed to be allowed then they would be able to cast a ballott.

But then again, if we cant get Democracy within our piddaly union what are the odds of getting it on a National scale? Well, its been done before!

 

[Bob Owens]

According to your reasoning: we should expect nothing from Pelosi and Reid and probably nothing from President Clinton.

Both parties are owned by the same people.

If working class people vote Republican then it is assumed that they are economically satisfied and more concerned about Homosexuals getting married, abortion and worried that AlQuida is going to attack them.

If working class people vote Democratic the ruling class start throwing crumbs. However if the Democratic crumbs arent enough and working class people start voting Socialist or heaven forbid Communist then they panic and pass laws legalizing unions, the right to strike, Social Security, 40 hour work week etc.

There is a way to fix our system without resorting to revolution, Socialism or Communism. Confine the political system to those who are entitled to participate-voters. If you cant vote-you cant participate, that means no lobbying and no campaign contributions. Why should foreign governments and multinational corporation that owe allegience to no country be given access to our politicians? Why should they be allowed to take part in the political proces by funding campaigns? If they were supposed to be allowed then they would be able to cast a ballott.

But then again, if we cant get Democracy within our piddaly union what are the odds of getting it on a National scale? Well, its been done before!

 

[Ed Norton]

Unfortunately you miss the point.This comes from your inability to reason since you came to the conclusion that I was espousing the virtues of the republicans. I was not. The unions consistantly hitch their wagons to the democrats and where does it get us. No where, just as it wouldnt get us anywhere if we hitched them to the republicans. You seem to forget that they get their money form the same sources. It doesent matter who is in charge, republicans or democrats. The people who really run things, will continues to make the decisions that effect our lives. Supporting the democrats is just another tool to keep you away from the whats really going on.

Amen, amen, amen! You hit the nail right on the head. Both parties are controlled by the same people. Both parties have a globalist agenda set by the Council of Foreign Relations (www.cfr.org). The democrats want a one world government controlled by the United Nations and the Republicans want one controlled by corporate interests. Democrats tend to hitch their globalist wagon to "global warming" and similar agendas. The republicans carp about "free trade" and capitalism; in reality the free trade they espouse to is neo-mercantilism and by definition monopolistic in nature. Both agendas are sinister and only benefit an elite few. The fact is that the U.S. is being set up to fall. The dollar is dropping, our industry is almost non existant and our name is being dragged across the mud in Iraq, Afghanistan and soon Iran. :down:

 

[Ed Norton]

Both parties are owned by the same people.

If working class people vote Republican then it is assumed that they are economically satisfied and more concerned about Homosexuals getting married, abortion and worried that AlQuida is going to attack them.

If working class people vote Democratic the ruling class start throwing crumbs. However if the Democratic crumbs arent enough and working class people start voting Socialist or heaven forbid Communist then they panic and pass laws legalizing unions, the right to strike, Social Security, 40 hour work week etc.

There is a way to fix our system without resorting to revolution, Socialism or Communism. Confine the political system to those who are entitled to participate-voters. If you cant vote-you cant participate, that means no lobbying and no campaign contributions. Why should foreign governments and multinational corporation that owe allegience to no country be given access to our politicians? Why should they be allowed to take part in the political proces by funding campaigns? If they were supposed to be allowed then they would be able to cast a ballott.

But then again, if we cant get Democracy within our piddaly union what are the odds of getting it on a National scale? Well, its been done before!

Ron Paul for president, brother!
Republican in name only and only because its easier to get on ballots as opposed to running as an independant. Go to youtube and check him out.