Union vs Non Union My Response

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  1. Dignity

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    how?
     
  2. 700UW

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    Are you kidding me?

    The RLA was enacted to prevent the disruption of interstate commerce.

    CBAs under the RLA dont expire, they become amendable it can take years sometimes to reach a new CBA.

    CBAs under the NLRA contracts expire and you can strike right way, not under the RLA, and companies know this and drag out negotiations to save money, most CBAs in the airline industry are agreed upon during the 30 day cooling off period.

    How, they had two years to prepare and train scabs to replace the AMTs and secure contacts with outside MROs to overhaul planes and components, that is not bargaining in good faith as the RLA requires.
     
  3. 2BlacknBlue

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    Dig,

    I quit asking why and started asking how....how could we best protect (minimize) ourselves from getting pummeled again by an overzealous, greedy CEO? I miss the DL widget of old when it stood for a symbol of service. It has been reduced to a victim of Ron Allen and a funeral held in memory by Leo Mullin. I feel as if Richard Anderson will put us on a race to the bottom if no unions are on the property. Actually, we wouldn't have that far to go....

    Regrettably, I'm too young to retire and too old to start over.

    2BnB
     
  4. Dignity

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    I do not think you are thinking this through clearly..

    RLA protects the workers too..it protected us up until the union threw it all out the window..

    (believe me.. it has taken some time to try and digest what they did)

    that does not necessarily mean, a union is always bad thing either.
     
  5. Dignity

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    I completely get what you are saying..seriously.

    that is sort of my point earlier, the bad ones are shown the door..

    they really have something very different and positive going on there..this is not a line of BS either. I had a very positive feeling going into their training facility for IQ, I cannot explain it, my gut feeling is simply they, the airline, are very good people. but Im not naive either.. just trying to keep an open mind..(and its not that easy to do based on the history where we came from, but Im trying..)

    I do not think you are going to have to start over.
     
  6. 700UW

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    Listen I worked under the RLA for 20 years, been on a couple of different negotiating committees, the only thing the RLA does is make sure during negotiations it remains status quo and sets up procedures on union elections and arbitration.

    It offers the companies way more protections than for workers, do you not understand the purpose of the was to stop all the great train strikes that were occurring?

    The act is specifically set up to prevent the disruption of interstate commerce.

    At us we (M&R) went on strike in 92 after three years of negotiating, the next CBA took 4 1/2 years to negotiate which we voted one down and went into super mediation and a 30 day cooling off period to reach a new CBA, in that 4 1/2 years prices of good went up but not our wages.

    Go read a book called Strike, its all about the railroad strikes and how the RLA came about.
     
  7. Dignity

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    and I have worked just as long at a company where it was 100 percent necessary having a contract in place..

    (I am not dismissing, having something in writing is important, because it is...)

    it is that 'us vs them' idea that has failed over and over, it will fail again.

    (it just doesnt get anyone, anywhere)

    if that is true, then basically we have no voice either way.. if you believe it offers the "companies" more protections than the workers.
     
  8. southwind

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    And as a stock clerk , I feel you were over-paid @ $22.00 an hour !

    Just because a union says a dude should be paid $35.00 bucks an hour, for screwing a lug nut on, doesn't mean it makes good business sense !
     
  9. 700UW

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    So lets outsource your job to someone making $5 cause it makes good business sense, its ok right, you understand right?

    And an aircraft mechanic does a hell of a lot more than screwing a lug nut on, they can go to jail and/or kill someone if they do their job wrong.

    Simply amazing, go educate yourself or would you rather just be a slave and do what ever the man tells you to do?

    And by the way, the company agreed to those wages, so who cares what you think!
     
  10. tech2101

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    That is probably the most ignorant post I have seen in a long time.

    There are two signatures on every agreement.

    When you pay someone to come and do some work for you; after they are done, do you tell them nah, you were not worth that...

    Since the value of your house has gone down, you should not have to pay as much per month, right?

    Does that make sense to you? :rolleyes:
     
  11. southwind

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    Then please tell me Tech, how much would you pay a stock clerk or someone putting the same nut on the same stud at "YOUR COMPANY" ?

    No beatin' around the bush or commenting on the question or asking me for a source....................just answer the question !
     
  12. southwind

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    As far as the lug nut comment , I was referring to someone that works for Government Motors on an assembly line and a stock clerk..................man you union dudes are touchy ! :down:
     
  13. WoRkInG

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    If being catholic will get you to heaven (union) then so be it.
     
  14. WoRkInG

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    GET A ROOM!!!!
     
  15. WoRkInG

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    It's called greed you know
     

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