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regulationWhy would you think?
Jim
It is obvious that you haven't been around the industry for a long time. Take a look at some of the older photos on Airliners.net, and you may be shocked to see just how common it was for most airlines to operate big equipment into smaller cities. There are plenty of 707's, DC-8's, CV-880's, and 727's that were flown just about anywhere that had the runways to handle them. As Jim said, there were enough passengers to fill the seats at that time. In those days there was no Express flying to take traffic away from Mainline flying. Once the RJ era began, that all changed. It is common knowledge that the onset of the RJ's was nothing more than a way for the airlines to screw mainline people out of decent paying jobs from top to bottom. Today we have "Express Jets" flying around most of the system on routes that were once mainline. These so called Express flights now carry anywhere from 50-76 passengers, with their employees earning wages just above poverty level. It is just recently that Delta has started to replace some 50 seat Express flying with Mainline, and they were the ones that kicked off the RJ craze years ago.regulation
It is obvious that you haven't been around the industry for a long time. Take a look at some of the older photos on Airliners.net, and you may be shocked to see just how common it was for most airlines to operate big equipment into smaller cities. There are plenty of 707's, DC-8's, CV-880's, and 727's that were flown just about anywhere that had the runways to handle them. As Jim said, there were enough passengers to fill the seats at that time. In those days there was no Express flying to take traffic away from Mainline flying. Once the RJ era began, that all changed. It is common knowledge that the onset of the RJ's was nothing more than a way for the airlines to screw mainline people out of decent paying jobs from top to bottom. Today we have "Express Jets" flying around most of the system on routes that were once mainline. These so called Express flights now carry anywhere from 50-76 passengers, with their employees earning wages just above poverty level. It is just recently that Delta has started to replace some 50 seat Express flying with Mainline, and they were the ones that kicked off the RJ craze years ago.
To sum it all up for you, there were and are small cities that can support larger A/C when and if they are used. The trend has been to replace 2 mainline flights a day with 4-5 Express ones with hopes that the passengers don't notice what has taken place. Great we have more flights with less seats adding to the ATC congestion all over the country.
As Jim said, there were enough passengers to fill the seats at that time. In those days there was no Express flying to take traffic away from Mainline flying. Once the RJ era began, that all changed. It is common knowledge that the onset of the RJ's was nothing more than a way for the airlines to screw mainline people out of decent paying jobs from top to bottom. Today we have "Express Jets" flying around most of the system on routes that were once mainline.
To sum it all up for you, there were and are small cities that can support larger A/C when and if they are used. The trend has been to replace 2 mainline flights a day with 4-5 Express ones with hopes that the passengers don't notice what has taken place. Great we have more flights with less seats adding to the ATC congestion all over the country.
that is my point deregulation allow your pointIt is obvious that you haven't been around the industry for a long time. Take a look at some of the older photos on Airliners.net, and you may be shocked to see just how common it was for most airlines to operate big equipment into smaller cities. There are plenty of 707's, DC-8's, CV-880's, and 727's that were flown just about anywhere that had the runways to handle them. As Jim said, there were enough passengers to fill the seats at that time. In those days there was no Express flying to take traffic away from Mainline flying. Once the RJ era began, that all changed. It is common knowledge that the onset of the RJ's was nothing more than a way for the airlines to screw mainline people out of decent paying jobs from top to bottom. Today we have "Express Jets" flying around most of the system on routes that were once mainline. These so called Express flights now carry anywhere from 50-76 passengers, with their employees earning wages just above poverty level. It is just recently that Delta has started to replace some 50 seat Express flying with Mainline, and they were the ones that kicked off the RJ craze years ago.
To sum it all up for you, there were and are small cities that can support larger A/C when and if they are used. The trend has been to replace 2 mainline flights a day with 4-5 Express ones with hopes that the passengers don't notice what has taken place. Great we have more flights with less seats adding to the ATC congestion all over the country.
It is obvious that you haven't been around the industry for a long time.
Don’t need to look I was thereTake a look at some of the older photos on Airliners.net, and you may be shocked to see just how common it was for most airlines to operate big equipment into smaller cities. There are plenty of 707's, DC-8's, CV-880's, and 727's that were flown just about anywhere that had the runways to handle them.
You thinkWe made a profit on many routes using Mainline A/C, and that was long after deregulation came to be.
Exactly, I lived itThe proliferation of small commuter planes (first props then regional jets) occurred just so the airlines could screw the mainline employees? Uh-huh.
During the regulated era (until 1978), most medium and small towns had just one or perhaps two airlines, flying a couple of mainline flights daily. And even if the town had two airlines, they did not compete, as the CAB regulated everything about the air service in that town.
Once the CAB no longer regulated where and when airlines could fly, many medium sized towns saw new competition from several airlines. Didn't take long for most of those airlines to figure out that there weren't enough airlines for everyone to fill DC-9s, 727s and 737s, so turboprops were ordered to replace a lot of mainline flying. Some medium sized towns went from 3-6 mainline flights a day on one or two airlines to as many as 40-60 regional flights a day on 8-10 different airlines.
Yes, those small cities could support larger planes as long as they were the only airline (or one of the only two airlines). Just two mainline flights a day? Hope your meeting doesn't run long - because then you'll be stuck in Podunk until the next morning. Most business travelers value frequency over size of plane. I certainly do.
Exactly, and this point needs to be emphasized.Yes, those small cities could support larger planes as long as they were the only airline (or one of the only two airlines). Just two mainline flights a day? Hope your meeting doesn't run long - because then you'll be stuck in Podunk until the next morning. Most business travelers value frequency over size of plane. I certainly do.
Exactly, and this point needs to be emphasized.
The shift happened not because of some anti-labor plot, but because the market prefers higher frequency over larger planes, and will not support both.
(Plus, it could be argued that labor itself brought on what is now being viewed as an anti-labor plot, through restrictive scope clauses and refusing to work with management to bring the pilots of the smaller aircraft onto what are now referred to as "mainline" CBAs. The unions' positions all but forced management to invent the contemporary commuter / express carrier system with its resulting two tiers of compensation in the industry. Of course then management took advantage of any cost savings it could through that setup. Nice job airline unions!)
If you have been around that long, you shouldn't have to be reminded where 727's did and didn't fly back in the day.
In the 1980's? I think not.
Jim
I seam to remember it did at lest fly in to one of those city's
Believe me I was in the 72 every day inside and out pre deregulated era (1978)Want to talk fuel crisis in 1976 and regulationBig deal, I got the same stuff as well. If you have been around that long, you shouldn't have to be reminded where 727's did and didn't fly back in the day. Given that Jim flew them, I would tend to take his word on it. Your entire posting makes very little sense from the start.