Ms Tree
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Why on earth would you think I would bring up the Red Tails as a argument for segregation when I have been aruing this entire time against it? I am not the one seeking to return to the days of yore and the 'traditional' militarty. That would be your argument. I brought up the Red Tails because they were a successfull example (much to the chagrin of many at that time) of a minority experiment and it help a great deal to expose the argument that blacks were not as capable as white as a fraud. The WASPS were another example.EastUS1 said:
Indeed. You mentioned the "Red Tails", clearly without knowing anything about them. The example you would have us believe to be successful social engineering was merely that of continuing to have racially segregated units, which had been done as far back as the rather un-"Civil" War. Your very example, however unknowingly to you, would argue for, rather than against the continuance of such prejudice. I approve of no such discrimination based on anyone's skin hues myself, but that's another matter. You've yet to advance any argument that supports the idea that social experimentation via gays and women in any way enhances military effectiveness, while countless examples are available showing the problems and issues that've already arisen.You've used Israel as the best example for integrating females into combat arms, but are apparently unaware that the majority of those young ladies that are directly in combat positions are assigned to a single unit, and not-so-much distributed wholesale throughout their forces...? Why doesn't even Israel just assign them to each and every frontline combat unit? Do the Israelis, I mean just perhaps, know something you don't?
"Karakal is a special battalion (gdud) inside the realm of Chir that is comprised of both women and men, both of which do all of the training together and exercises/guarding which is required. It is a unit that is full capacity combat and mainly is stationed in the south at the Egyptian border and the Jordanian border."
http://www.idfinfo.co.il/Service_Options_For_Women.php?cat=a7
For myself; I just want the strongest and most capable military for the nation that we can field. Show me how your notions help do anything of the sort. Whether the makeup of our forces suits my or anyone's personal wishes or agendas should be of no rational concern to any of us. Whether our forces are the best we can have, or not, certainly should concern us all.
I guess it's a good thing that no one listened to people like you when the US military started to allow blacks to serve along white.
I have never argueed that women are to be treated identically to men in so far as the military in concerened. I have argued that people should be accepted and assigned to possitions based on their capability, not their gender, race or sexual orientation.