9000 flight numbers?

[Capecod]

Non-owned express flying(routes) are BID on by the express carriers. They work their own deal with Airways. Airways does have some say as to what equipment they would like and frequencys, etc. However, if MESA(or any other express carrier) wants a spare aircraft or crews sitting around, they can have as many as they want, but it is on their dime. Airways or any other carrier should not have to pay for their express carriers to have $$millions$$ of dollars worth of aircraft sitting around as spares. They have a contract/agreement to provide the service they signed up for and it is up to them to provide it. We all know that penny-pinching JO is not going to spend one nickel to make MESA look better by having any spares.
I do agree that weather is not the fault of any carrier.

Dorf

The post above deals with most of inaccuries of this post. Regarding the spares. If you look at these deals in a simple way, Airways rents the airplanes from Mesa. After this point it is up to Airways to what they want to do with these rented airplanes. Mesa's Delta deal requires Mesa to have a spare (that Delta pays for) because they care about there product. Remember, all this flying is done under the Mainline colors with there passengers. Airways chooses to maximize use of the airplanes and leaves Mesa with no spares (except on SAT). As I said before, they must assume they can cover the flying with the Mainline spares. That’s fine. But don't look at it as Mainline bailing out Mesa. Not the case. -Cape

You are so very wrong, but think what you'd like if it makes you happy.

Prove that I'm wrong? Or better yet, keep reading this thread and someone like Jim who you respect and knows what he is talking will chime in and tell you your wrong.

In the mean time let me give you another example to ponder. Jetblue starts flying JFK-CLT-JFK. Airways wants to compete so the shift a Mesa 900 from another route and start service from CLT-JFK. This was done by Airways not Mesa like you seem to think. Mesa doesn't care where the airplanes fly, we get paid be segment not passengers. AIRWAYS CONTROLS THE AIRPLANES. -Cape

 

[hula-flyguy]

And somewhere in your land of make believe, I'm sure US dispatches the flights. US crews fly the a/c, US crew resources builds the blocks, US mechanics work the a/c.

but alas, it is just that.....a land of make believe.

My regards to Toto and Auntie Em

 

[tahitigirl]

I don't mean to step on any toes here, but aren't the express carriers kind of like contract work. US pays per flight flown by the express carrier. Doesn't this mean it is the express carriers responsibility to have the aircraft and crew to operate such?

 

[hula-flyguy]

Yep, it is contract work, and yep it is their responsibility to have the a/c and crews available to support their contract.

 

[Capecod]

I don't mean to step on any toes here, but aren't the express carriers kind of like contract work. US pays per flight flown by the express carrier. Doesn't this mean it is the express carriers responsibility to have the aircraft and crew to operate such?

Kinda of right. Express carriers are responsibile for the crews but the number of aircraft "contracted" is set. -Cape

 

[robbedagain]

I was told recently by a colgan crew that for US colgan doesnt have the fee per depart anymore but for ual it is a fee per departure. i dont know if that is what it is today

 

[FlyOnWall]

I was told recently by a colgan crew that for US colgan doesnt have the fee per depart anymore but for ual it is a fee per departure. i dont know if that is what it is today

They are Fee Per Deperture with UA and CO. With US Airways Express they are shared risk, as all the carriers should be. This means they share in both the cost and revenue the flights they operate. It's more like a codeshare agreement than than the Mesa, Air Wisconsin, Republic, and Chautauqua deals which are really just like wet leases or capacity purchases. They get paid regardless of what they do. Trans States RJ operation for US also operates shared risk.

 

[john john]

Mesa with any spares Mesa had 3 aircraft get stuck in IAH Again, .

Express cancelled and delays flights due to weather crews and mechanical AND IT IS US AIRWAYS FAULT you sure got that right. The customers do not care what the little sigh says on the entrance door (some are starting to catch on) I will give you one thing express needs some spare planes and crews sitting around because the one you have have a hard time operation and showing up to work

 

[ONT_CP]

Express cancelled and delays flights due to weather crews and mechanical AND IT IS US AIRWAYS FAULT you sure got that right. The customers do not care what the little sigh says on the entrance door (some are starting to catch on) I will give you one thing express needs some spare planes and crews sitting around because the one you have have a hard time operation and showing up to work

I do think that someone from US needs to QC those Mesa flights, no offense to the Mesa F/A on here, but some of your F/A's are not really good at what they do. They have poor people skills, treat the passengers with disrespect and have such an attitude that it is almost comical. I know flying from SNA to PHX (on the late Mesa flight), the service has been pretty nasty at times.

I really have not been impressed by their inflight service at all. I do remember when I use to fly United Express on the west coast with Sky West, I was actually impressed by the flights. Always a choice of snacks and very pleasant F/A's... just a difference in what a regional carrier can be.