Aa Mechanic Pay Vs Cpi

[TWU informer]

20 YEARS OF CONCESSIONS IN PAY ALONE.

ADD IN THE BENEFIT AND WORK RULE CONCESSION AND WHAT DO YOU GET?

ANSWER: A DOCILE UNION

 

[Bob Owens]

20 YEARS OF CONCESSIONS IN PAY ALONE.

ADD IN THE BENEFIT AND WORK RULE CONCESSION AND WHAT DO YOU GET?

ANSWER: A DOCILE UNION

Basically if you discount the AMFA spike in 2002-3 its been downhill for twenty years.

Is there really anything more to say?


The fact is that with the TWU not only have they been negotiating jobs away from A&P mechanics for twenty years but they have been bringing back wages that have failed to keep up with inflation.


In this case one picture is worth over $250,000. Our gross pay based on a 40 hour week is behind over $250,000 of what it would have been if we had a COLA. In effect its as if we gave the company over four years out of twenty in free labor thanks to the TWU!


If we stay with the TWU we will stay on this downward trend. I say this because in the discussions I've had with TWU "leaders" such as Sonny Hall, Jim Little and Mike Bakala they dont think that the problem lies with them. They think it lies with us. However they forget that it is them who control the contract, it is them who tell us to always accept the TA, it is them who tell us to vote yes on concessionary deals. They blame us for following their lead. In a way they are right, it is our fault for following them. Well its time we take responsibility for our careers and give these guys the boot- AMFA and the AGW NOW!

Twenty years of concessions is "more than adequate"!

 

[TWU informer]

Bob, this appears to be another thread that the TWU faithful wants to avoid.

They will hang around and promote the playground threads, but when it comes to facts, they never respond.

 

[Bob Owens]

Bob, this appears to be another thread that the TWU faithful wants to avoid.

They will hang around and promote the playground threads, but when it comes to facts, they never respond.

Well I guess we will just have to keep bringing it up and expanding on it until they respond.

Maybe I should dig up Littles response from when I sent him this. He felt that our decline was even steeper, and he is probably right.


They can draw all the cartoons and make all the accusations they want but this graph is a cold hard fact that shows what they have done over the last twenty years.

 

[Bob Owens]

Hey TWU! Still no response?

I guess that facts are not as much fun as cartoons. Maybe we should put the graph on the cartoon thread to see what happens when we put facts against fiction.

 

[Bob Owens]

Still no response from the TWU. Boy they are really avoiding this one arent they? Maybe this could go on the next AMFA mailout.

 

[Bob Owens]

Three days and still no comment from the TWU about this graph which pretty much sums up the TWUs performance here at AA for the last twenty years.

Whats the matter boys, cant face the facts?

 

[Dc10hound]

20 YEARS OF CONCESSIONS IN PAY ALONE.

ADD IN THE BENEFIT AND WORK RULE CONCESSION AND WHAT DO YOU GET?

ANSWER: A DOCILE UNION

Nice chart.

But the lower right corner has a note that says: "assumes 3% CPI from 2002 til 2003"

CPI is the Consumer Price Index. I think the chart means average percentage increase in the CPI. That would be average annual inflation rate.

Isn't the average inflation rate for 200-2003 more like 1.57% ?
And 2.21% for 1990 - 1991?

If one "assumes" that trend will continue, the figure of 3% "assumed CPI" is inaccurate by 63%.

I would suggest that someone might want to adjust the chart accordingly.

I still lose either way, but it might make me feel a little better.

 

[twuer]

That's intersting Hound that you should notice the same things I did. I guess I haven't responded because it is more fabrication from amfa.

Maybe they should put up a chart that shows the number of mechanics at UAL and NWA before amfa then show the chart AFTER amfa took over.

Dave is good at these charts!! He puts one up about every other day as if they were taken straight from the "Bible". You can't trust a lot of what he posts, thus the lack of response.

 

[limit]

That's intersting Hound that you should notice the same things I did. I guess I haven't responded because it is more fabrication from amfa.

Maybe they should put up a chart that shows the number of mechanics at UAL and NWA before amfa then show the chart AFTER amfa took over.

Dave is good at these charts!! He puts one up about every other day as if they were taken straight from the "Bible". You can't trust a lot of what he posts, thus the lack of response.

It is interesting that you fail to notice or even understand the chart

According to the chart the assumption of 3% is only for 2002 and 2003, not the previous years.
So according to the chart even if the 02 - 03 numbers are incorrect the rest of the graph back to 83 is not.
Furthermore: even with the smaller numbers for future projections the trend will be still downwards, but not as much.
And by the way, 3% is the standard used by economists when the want to project inflation numbers in the future.
Thanks for noticing.

 

[Bob Owens]

20 YEARS OF CONCESSIONS IN PAY ALONE.

ADD IN THE BENEFIT AND WORK RULE CONCESSION AND WHAT DO YOU GET?

ANSWER: A DOCILE UNION

Nice chart.

But the lower right corner has a note that says: "assumes 3% CPI from 2002 til 2003"

CPI is the Consumer Price Index. I think the chart means average percentage increase in the CPI. That would be average annual inflation rate.

Isn't the average inflation rate for 200-2003 more like 1.57% ?
And 2.21% for 1990 - 1991?

If one "assumes" that trend will continue, the figure of 3% "assumed CPI" is inaccurate by 63%.

I would suggest that someone might want to adjust the chart accordingly.

I still lose either way, but it might make me feel a little better.

I'll admit that the stated CPI is not a 100% accurate figure to use but I, and most pro-labor organizations feel that if anything the official CPI UNDERSTATES the real inflation rate that we feel. When I originally sent these figures to Jim Little he felt that the inflation numbers understated real inflation. In other words our decline was probably steeper.


TWUer;

Once again we see TWU supporters aligned in their political and economic perspective with anti-labor forces. "Paycuts are good and you dont need pay raises because inflation is non-existant."

You claim that this is an AMFA fabrication however this graph was made by me as a TWU officer and I got all the figures for our pay directly from Ed Koziatek and Jim Little. The CPI I got off the governments web site. If you want the figures I'll post them.

One of the problems with the CPI is that many things that affect us are not included such as taxes and I believe real estate. Another problem is that fees and surcharges which have become popular recently are also not added into the price. One of the most alarming things is that now they have decided to add a quality index so that if quality went up it could offset the increase in price thereby holding the CPI figure down. For instance lets say this year you could buy a 500 meg computer for $500, however next year they discontinue that model and come out with a 1000meg computer for $750. Next year the $250 increase might actually be calculated as a drop in price because it offers twice as much. Clearly if you took housing into account the CPI understates inflation. My house has nearly doubled in market value over the last 5 years and my taxes and utilities have also increased much more than the stated CPI rates. I have not seen anything actually drop in price-other than electronics, to offset the huge increases in real estate, property taxes, medical, food, insurance, and fuel.

Its funny how you guys are so desperate that you would take the exact opposite veiw of 99% of the working people of this country and of the labor movement concerning the inflation rate.

Even if we were to look at our paychecks, our 1.5% increase that we are due has already been consumed by our increased cost for medical coverage alone.

 

[TWU informer]

That's intersting Hound that you should notice the same things I did. I guess I haven't responded because it is more fabrication from amfa.

Maybe they should put up a chart that shows the number of mechanics at UAL and NWA before amfa then show the chart AFTER amfa took over.

Dave is good at these charts!! He puts one up about every other day as if they were taken straight from the "Bible". You can't trust a lot of what he posts, thus the lack of response.

It is interesting that you fail to notice or even understand the chart

According to the chart the assumption of 3% is only for 2002 and 2003, not the previous years.
So according to the chart even if the 02 - 03 numbers are incorrect the rest of the graph back to 83 is not.
Furthermore: even with the smaller numbers for future projections the trend will be still downwards, but not as much.
And by the way, 3% is the standard used by economists when the want to project inflation numbers in the future.
Thanks for noticing.

Limit,

That is not what Babbit from ECLAT told the TWU.

And since the company hired financial analyst says it, then is must be TWU TRUE.

I think we should consider preparing for the transition to AMFA, instead of this senseless continuation of internet arguements with the brain dead craftsmen, that favor bus drivers, baggage handlers, and dictatorship rule over membership empowerment and craft/skill recognition.

 

[Bob Owens]

That's intersting Hound that you should notice the same things I did. I guess I haven't responded because it is more fabrication from amfa.

Maybe they should put up a chart that shows the number of mechanics at UAL and NWA before amfa then show the chart AFTER amfa took over.

Dave is good at these charts!! He puts one up about every other day as if they were taken straight from the "Bible". You can't trust a lot of what he posts, thus the lack of response.

It is interesting that you fail to notice or even understand the chart

According to the chart the assumption of 3% is only for 2002 and 2003, not the previous years.
So according to the chart even if the 02 - 03 numbers are incorrect the rest of the graph back to 83 is not.
Furthermore: even with the smaller numbers for future projections the trend will be still downwards, but not as much.
And by the way, 3% is the standard used by economists when the want to project inflation numbers in the future.
Thanks for noticing.

Limit,

That is not what Babbit from ECLAT told the TWU.

And since the company hired financial analyst says it, then is must be TWU TRUE.

I think we should consider preparing for the transition to AMFA, instead of this senseless continuation of internet arguements with the brain dead craftsmen, that favor bus drivers, baggage handlers, and dictatorship rule over membership empowerment and craft/skill recognition.

Our baggage handlers have not fared well under the TWU, and the bus drivers hate Sonny even more than we do. The fact is that the TWU International only serves the one constituancy that they are accountable to-themselves.

Their pay and benifits have outpaced inflation!

 

[AMFAMAN]

Bob,
Could you adjust that for the cost of living in N.Y. and the housing increases for the past 5 years. You know $200k homes in 1995 are going for $600k.

I know CIO, if you don't like it move to Tulsa, AA will just move all the International routes there to. :huh:

 

[Buck]

If the line mechanics ever did move to TUL? How would the TWU survive?
And why is it that it appears that the line does not exist in the eyes of
Local 514?