Aerobatics

[Bruised Armpit]

Some of that goop causes a lot of premature engine corrosion too. I have seen it first hand. Allison sent something out about it several years ago...just after the 'geers took apart the engine I was using and showed me the corroded and cracked wheels.
It did give me warnings...that is why they cracked it open.

 

[Bruised Armpit]

Some of that goop causes a lot of premature engine corrosion too. I have seen it first hand. Allison sent something out about it several years ago...just after the 'geers took apart the engine I was using and showed me the corroded and cracked wheels.
It did give me warnings...that is why they cracked it open.

 

[Bruised Armpit]

Some of that goop causes a lot of premature engine corrosion too. I have seen it first hand. Allison sent something out about it several years ago...just after the 'geers took apart the engine I was using and showed me the corroded and cracked wheels.
It did give me warnings...that is why they cracked it open.

 

[Bruised Armpit]

Some of that goop causes a lot of premature engine corrosion too. I have seen it first hand. Allison sent something out about it several years ago...just after the 'geers took apart the engine I was using and showed me the corroded and cracked wheels.
It did give me warnings...that is why they cracked it open.

 

[Bruised Armpit]

Some of that goop causes a lot of premature engine corrosion too. I have seen it first hand. Allison sent something out about it several years ago...just after the 'geers took apart the engine I was using and showed me the corroded and cracked wheels.
It did give me warnings...that is why they cracked it open.

 

[Bruised Armpit]

Some of that goop causes a lot of premature engine corrosion too. I have seen it first hand. Allison sent something out about it several years ago...just after the 'geers took apart the engine I was using and showed me the corroded and cracked wheels.
It did give me warnings...that is why they cracked it open.

 

[Winnie]

Bruised,
The team you are talking about is probably showcopters, out of somewhere in calif. or nevada.
The pilots all had several thousand hours each, and were supposed to be some of the most experienced in R22/44. However, one of them took a feller up for an intro flight close to Monterrey, Calif in the summer of 2000, and they managed to get a case of shedding the main rotor after cutting of necesary parts of the airframe, and unfortunately neither survived.

 

[MagSeal]

you forgot one problem downwash...in the eyes of management, they will most likley believe a pilots ''version'' of the events over an engineers ''complaints''. I was involved in an incident earlier on in my career where a jetranger pilot was flying 5 passengers (albiet treeplanters). my complaints fell on deaf ears and i was made out to be the bad guy. Also the brotherhood of pilots is a strong bond to break sometimes. Unfortunately too, a low time pilot is likley afraid as well to rat out a high timer doing stunts for much the same reasons that i experienced.
It''s a tough situation to break.

 

[downwash]

You can pretty much bet your sweet a$$ that the turkey who does the hammerheads, hairy-assed flares and 90-degree bank cranks is the one who uses ''transients'' as a matter of course, despite their intentional use being prohibited.

The sooner we smarten up in this industry, and ''rat'' on those guys every time they pull one of their hairbrained stunts, then refuse to fly the machine we witnessed them abuse, the sooner we''ll be rid of them and all fly with more confidence in our equipment, more sure of getting home each night.

"There''s old pilots and there''s bold pilots but ..."

 

[Vortex Ring]

Boys boys boys, there is nothing wrong with doing aerobatic maneouvres when done properly and in the right time and place. There is NO place for it with an employers machine unless they are paying you as an aerobatic airshow display guy.

We've seen factory demo pilots do amazing things with helos, especially MBB BO105 and MD500 series helos.

Have a look at a real aerobatic bunch, the really do loop, roll and pull their Lynx up over on their backs into a dive from a high hover. Pretty neat stuff.

Remember the three cardinal rules:

1. ALWAYS keep the head loaded!
2. Always lead your maneouvre with collective.
3. Never unload past zero g.

Common sense must remain though, don't do this with your bosses Jet Ranger!!!

Enjoy...........

www.deltaweb.co.uk/eagles/bluehome.htm (Page 3 of their gallery, bottom photo, a personal favourite, plus I met the lad who flies it, impressive)

 

[VERTICAL REF]

you can play whatever stupid sh1t you want when you work for the green team and have a crew-cut!!!

you do it with a commercial, civilian aircraft and you should have your a$$ kicked!!!

 

[407 Driver]

MagSeal, come and try the RED team, it''s run by engineers, maybe that''s why things are so good ????

 

[Nomex]

Unfortunately you''re right CAP.

The pilot of a recent fatal crash (only the pilot was onboard) was reported to his chief pilot by a senior pilot from another company about a year before his death, regarding his flying (similar flying that eventually caught up to him - cowboy & pushing wx). He was a production pilot and his chief pilot accepted his manner of flying as beneficial for the company in spite of the likely outcome!

I would still report, it may save someone else''s life..

 

[cap]

All comments duly noted and I disagree with only one theme.....that if those offending pilots are reported they will always be dismissed....WRONG! If the client wants that particular pilot and the contract involves many ''ducats'', he MIGHT be fired......don''t bet your RRSP on it though, gents. There''s STILL a whole lot of ''creative thinking'' out there when the valuable client wants a certain pilot and the the contract is extremely desirable to keep. They''ll always be there guys, so learn to live with it. Why do you think we have some of the rules in place that we do now?

 

[cap]

All comments duly noted and I disagree with only one theme.....that if those offending pilots are reported they will always be dismissed....WRONG! If the client wants that particular pilot and the contract involves many ''ducats'', he MIGHT be fired......don''t bet your RRSP on it though, gents. There''s STILL a whole lot of ''creative thinking'' out there when the valuable client wants a certain pilot and the the contract is extremely desirable to keep. They''ll always be there guys, so learn to live with it. Why do you think we have some of the rules in place that we do now?