American Airlines and Labor Negotiations

[WeAAsles]

Hopefully the mediators will say they have seen and been part of this circus long enough and declare an impasse.
Release both sides and lets get the ball rolling.

I agree 100%

 

[ALUS78]

I agree 100%

Tell me what you think could happen with that, my opinion is ZERO

 

[ALUS78]

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Up to me?What am i supposed to do?

 

[WeAAsles]

Up to me?What am i supposed to do?

You might start by actually taking something/anything seriously?

 

[MetalMover]

Hopefully the mediators will say they have seen and been part of this circus long enough and declare an impasse.
Release both sides and lets get the ball rolling.

And the union should also request to be released and since they have such a strong argument about company profits and billions spent on stock buybacks, they should agree to arbitration if proffered. The union should get everything they want.
So what's the problem?

 

[WeAAsles]

And the union should also request to be released and since they have such a strong argument about company profits and billions spent on stock buybacks, they should agree to arbitration if proffered. The union should get everything they want.
So what's the problem?

How do you know if the Unions did ask for Arbitration that the Company would accept?

If you recall the Arbitration that the Pilots and FA’s went through came with strict parameters that if either group did not accept the Negotiated deals, the Arbitrator could only award the Industry aggregate average.

We would not be tied to those parameters so it’s likely even if asked (unlikely) the Company would be unwilling to accept.

 

[MetalMover]

How do you know if the Unions did ask for Arbitration that the Company would accept?

If you recall the Arbitration that the Pilots and FA’s went through came with strict parameters that if either group did not accept the Negotiated deals, the Arbitrator could only award the Industry aggregate average.

We would not be tied to those parameters so it’s likely even if asked (unlikely) the Company would be unwilling to accept.

Well if and when the mediators release us, the next step is arbitration to be proffered. It would make the union appear more willing if they accepted even if the company balked.
But anyway, at the end of the day, if arbitration were accepted and the company got what they want, the union loses.
If, by some miracle we got to the end of the entire RLA process and were released and free to strike, the company wins and the union loses.
The company has made it clear they are not reversing or altering their position. The union also is not reversing or altering its position.
At the end of the day, the company comes out ahead, they always do.

Having said this, be prepared to stay on ice for quite a while.

 

[bigjets]

Did you guys ever noticed how fast the TWU pushes a contract through where we lose but slow rolls a contract where we will get a good payday.

 

[WeAAsles]

Well if and when the mediators release us, the next step is arbitration to be proffered. It would make the union appear more willing if they accepted even if the company balked.
But anyway, at the end of the day, if arbitration were accepted and the company got what they want, the union loses.
If, by some miracle we got to the end of the entire RLA process and were released and free to strike, the company wins and the union loses.
The company has made it clear they are not reversing or altering their position. The union also is not reversing or altering its position.
At the end of the day, the company comes out ahead, they always do.

Having said this, be prepared to stay on ice for quite a while.

Wow you really have no avenue in your mind that the Unions can win do you?

What if Arbitration is accepted and the Arbitrator rules in some areas against the Company? Union wins right.

And if we were miraculously ever free to strike I don’t know about you but I have no problem being out for however long it takes.

Anyway I have yet to read the Company put down officially it’s last offer?

 

[WeAAsles]

Did you guys ever noticed how fast the TWU pushes a contract through where we lose but slow rolls a contract where we will get a good payday.

How is the TWU getting a BIG PAYDAY if it agrees to let thousands of jobs be lost?

You’re obviously just thinking about yourself.

 

[WeAAsles]

Well if and when the mediators release us, the next step is arbitration to be proffered. It would make the union appear more willing if they accepted even if the company balked.
But anyway, at the end of the day, if arbitration were accepted and the company got what they want, the union loses.
If, by some miracle we got to the end of the entire RLA process and were released and free to strike, the company wins and the union loses.
The company has made it clear they are not reversing or altering their position. The union also is not reversing or altering its position.
At the end of the day, the company comes out ahead, they always do.

Having said this, be prepared to stay on ice for quite a while.

BTW Metal come clean right here, right now. In the end after all that big pushing did AMFA come out ahead at SWA?

Did they get Management to back off their demands?

 

[Kev3188]

You might start by actually taking something/anything seriously?

Sage advice. You should take it.

 

[bigjets]

Time to ask to be released or ask for arbitration. The tough talking association updates isn’t cutting it.

We lose everyday and with another holiday where we lose an additional $1000 dollars is just getting annoying.

 

[MetalMover]

Wow you really have no avenue in your mind that the Unions can win do you?

What if Arbitration is accepted and the Arbitrator rules in some areas against the Company? Union wins right.

And if we were miraculously ever free to strike I don’t know about you but I have no problem being out for however long it takes.

Anyway I have yet to read the Company put down officially it’s last offer?

WeAAz, if we were ever to get released, we're looking at 6-7 years just by judging AMFA/SWA and UAL/CAL/ IBT. I will be long retired by then.
Now, I applaud you for being willing to stay out til the end. You might think just a little bit differently if you had a wife and kids to support.
And yes, unions cannot win anymore especially in an anti-union climate as far as government is concerned.

 

[bigjets]

How is the TWU getting a BIG PAYDAY if it agrees to let thousands of jobs be lost?

You’re obviously just thinking about yourself.

Yes, and the thousands of other dues paying members, not to mention my union brothers who sacrificed for the past 16 years who want a little extra for their retirement exit.

The payday is for us not the union, maybe that’s the holdup.