American Airlines and Labor Negotiations

[WeAAsles]

So I guess Management or just some trained Bum at the Airport can perform our work?

 

[aanoob]

Noob MCT here, with less than 10 year classification seniority. Looks like no ‘grandfather’ language to keep at current pay step. The lack of that language would give half the current MCT’s a $15 pay CUT and result in a freeze for 5 years.

 

[Tim Nelson]

So I guess Management or just some trained Bum at the Airport can perform our work?

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I have unblocked you just to tell you that you have FINALLY, along with Mark Baskett, been PROVEN a liar. You ripped me for telling everyone the truth but you never suspected the company put out the entire text. F you buddy and Mark Baskett.

AS ANYONE CAN PLAINLY SEE, BAGROOM, BAGRUNNING, EVERYTHING WE DO NOW AT US AIRWAYS IS INCLUDED. THERE IS A SPECIAL PLACE IN MANAGEMENT FOR SCUM LIKE YOU.

 

[WeAAsles]

Looking at the dates on the items the Company has proposed for Fleet, Article 7 had a date of 2/8/2019. Otherwise all dates go back to 7/24/18 and earlier.

That tells me that the Association has NOT been lying and the Company is NOT moving.

 

[Tim Nelson]

Looking at the dates on the items the Company has proposed for Fleet, Article 7 had a date of 2/8/2019. Otherwise all dates go back to 7/24/18 and earlier.

That tells me that the Association has NOT been lying and the Company is NOT moving.

Baskett flat out lied AND YOU, as you jokers maintained that bag running and bagroom are 'when and where directed' and asked if the company was paying me. Who is paying you and Mark Baskett to continue lying? The proposal is clear, bag running and bag room are in the proposal yet basket and billy Wilson lied out their arse on their latest video in march.

 

[WeAAsles]

Look at all this work that we currently own on the LAA FSC TWU Side that they want to slap a “When and where so directed” label onto.

 

[B737 driver]

No reaaon to vote yes on that bec of the when n where directed

I was a union steward for over 8 years when we were Teamsters, when and where directed language means at the company's discretion. So they need to tell the truth.

 

[robbedagain]

If its anything like what the CWA has then it wont be good. I would hope folks wld vote based on scope rather than money but given the length of time n all the bs ive seen on here i highly doubt that'll occur.

 

[AANOTOK]

So I guess I'm still confused on the "when and where so directed". Does this mean jobs we have can be outsourced when they say?
In other words catering we keep with signature of contract but two days later they decide they want to outsource it. Same with Cargo or anything that falls under "when and where so directed", gone when they say gone?

 

[robbedagain]

So I guess I'm still confused on the "when and where so directed". Does this mean jobs we have can be outsourced when they say?
In other words catering we keep with signature of contract but two days later they decide they want to outsource it. Same with Cargo or anything that falls under "when and where so directed", gone when they say gone?

That would be my guess. Thats one of the more reasons to vote no on it

 

[WeAAsles]

So I guess I'm still confused on the "when and where so directed". Does this mean jobs we have can be outsourced when they say?
In other words catering we keep with signature of contract but two days later they decide they want to outsource it. Same with Cargo or anything that falls under "when and where so directed", gone when they say gone?

AANOTOK read how Scope is written in the TWU Agreement and compare it to what the Company is proposing. There is clearly noticeable difference that defines who owns the work.

Yes “When and where so directed” can be implied that unless we are otherwise directed to perform certain work functions the Company doesn’t necessarily need to have us perform the written tasks.

In the wording they also write something like “Work that is customarily associated with Fleet Service”

So how do I define that in a Court of Law?

 

[LuvnTheSky]

So let's see...Fleet Crew Chiefs, who will now become a working part of the crew when needed will go to the bottom of the overtime list because they are a different classification but performed agent duties on shift?
Sign me up!

 

[WeAAsles]

Look at all this work that we currently own on the LAA FSC TWU Side that they want to slap a “When and where so directed” label onto.

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This is SCOPE Language. Not what the Company has proposed.

 

[Tim Nelson]

Look at all this work that we currently own on the LAA FSC TWU Side that they want to slap a “When and where so directed” label onto.

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Weez, please show me the "when and where" for bagroom and bagrunning"? lol
Members wanna know.
And please show me where "when and where" directed for catering, cabin cleaning, charters, additional cargo affects you guys other than you can no longer refuse to clean an airplane or pack liqeur kits?
I like additional work so i really hope that they direct us to charter flights, cleaning aircraft etc.

 

[B737 driver]

If its anything like what the CWA has then it wont be good. I would hope folks wld vote based on scope rather than money but given the length of time n all the bs ive seen on here i highly doubt that'll occur.

Well Robbed I voted yes on our first offer last year, because we maintained scope, that's more important to me than money, but we voted it down, because guys wanted their full back pay. Now with this second T/A we still maintained scope, and are getting our full backpay.