American Airlines and Labor Negotiations

[WeAAsles]

Weez obviously I wasn't around their last attempt but did they have this much momentum?

Just reading people say “Look out, we got this one baby” doesn’t promise that what they’re saying is true. As George Carlin famously said they could all be FOS?

 

[WeAAsles]

clt is actually anti iam as far as mx and spearheaded the last election when they signed 50% cards but mostly from clt. I guess one of their main clt dissonants got blown off by a certain paranoid amp leader, so he now wants to make sure amp doesnt go anywhere since he claims its mostly LAA who want to take away his seniority.
I want amp to succeed but they arent going anywhere unless sito brings back a ta that has less scope.

You can pretty much bet yer booty that AMT Scope is going to fall somewhere between the TWU Scope and the IAM Scope leaning towards more than less, but some less nonetheless.

And these AMP cats are going to be happier than little girls with a new doll houses. They don’t care about the jobs and say it here ALL the time. They want the MONEY cause they’re older birds and they want to bulk up that retirement egg and that’s it period.

When the money comes in you can expect the Drive to blow away once again like a fart in the wind.

(Sorry for being so harsh but it’s how I see it my old AMT friends here)

 

[MetalMover]

I don’t think it’s speeding anything up and even if it was is speeding things up a wise idea?

I don’t think it’s doing anything at the moment except maybe giving the Company a nice greedy eye put on it. You can push the TWU and IAM as much as you want but you aren’t going to push the Company.

If anything you “could” “maybe” give them a reason (excuse) to completely shut down talks if they think you “really” are gaining momentum? Why would they continue if they’re not sure the Association is going to have the authority to complete the work?

The reason you think you’re suddenly seeing movement again is because the Company finished compiling the data they needed from posting proposals online and waiting to read our reactions and it’s time to move again.

They also probably would like this to be concluded before our Contracts become amendable in September and then they can move on to focusing on the next group of talks with the other workgroups (Keeping their friend Jerry Glass working and collecting a paycheck)

Sorry WeAAz, I think otherwise.

 

[MetalMover]

You can pretty much bet yer booty that AMT Scope is going to fall somewhere between the TWU Scope and the IAM Scope leaning towards more than less, but some less nonetheless.

And these AMP cats are going to be happier than little girls with a new doll houses. They don’t care about the jobs and say it here ALL the time. They want the MONEY cause they’re older birds and they want to bulk up that retirement egg and that’s it period.

When the money comes in you can expect the Drive to blow away once again like a fart in the wind.

(Sorry for being so harsh but it’s how I see it my old AMT friends here)

Disagree again my friend. The mere existence of the ASSociation is the driving factor here. Even more so than just the TWU. We don't like being shared.
One union representation, not two! Especially not one which was forced upon us.

BTW, cards are being signed like they are giving money away.

 

[1986Mekanic]

Do you expect the Representation change to occur in the next month or two?

Are you saying negotiations will wrap up in the next month or 2? Because as you know, I figure 18 months.

 

[Racer X]

Laugh all you want X NYer knows his chit and the MIA folks rewarded him with a landslide election a couple of years ago

He may know history and the current language of his own CBA , But..being that he was not in any negotiating sessions, What he knows about the current negotiations is what he has been told. If by chance he has read the agreed upon TA’s, he would still need it explained as to how/why the language was reached.
And don’t be so quick as to think that was a LOL at NYer’s knowledge...

 

[WeAAsles]

Are you saying negotiations will wrap up in the next month or 2? Because as you know, I figure 18 months.

Oh no I’m not going to hasten any more “guesses” because I have a harsh critic who lingers in the background on here waiting to pounce if I even think about making a football pool guess.

But again it took around 350 Dispatchers almost 2 years to make a representational change and you have my guess somewhere between 17,000 to 19,000 people that at least half (accounting for thrown out cards) AMP needs to get cards from.

As far as how much longer this might take you can look at the progress bars and make your own call on that. You say another year and a half huh? Ok.

 

[NYer]

He may know history and the current language of his own CBA , But..being that he was not in any negotiating sessions, What he knows about the current negotiations is what he has been told. If by chance he has read the agreed upon TA’s, he would still need it explained as to how/why the language was reached.
And don’t be so quick as to think that was a LOL at NYer’s knowledge...

How and why are quite obvious. I've been one of the few, including those supposedly in the know, that has maintained this will be a long process because of the difficulty in combining two contracts, two sets of language, two cultures and have three separate sides agree to the ultimate TA.

The issue is the how the proper expectations were not set and now there seems to be work being done to try and make the concessionary language seem rosy. It is inevitable to have language that is concessionary in most negotiations. The agreed language may be better for one but that compromise may make it concessionary to the other. Let's not hide from that.

 

[WeAAsles]

Disagree again my friend. The mere existence of the ASSociation is the driving factor here. Even more so than just the TWU. We don't like being shared.
One union representation, not two! Especially not one which was forced upon us.

BTW, cards are being signed like they are giving money away.

Ok let me play a little Sherlock Holmes here and ask a few questions.

So what’s changed today that wasn’t still the case back in 2014 when it appears AMP was officially abandoned? Before it was fired up again the last post on its FB page was late 2014.

Why was the Website abandoned? The Domain name was up for sale?

And I was told that this LM2 is you guys? (Not sure) If it is why did AMP only file one in 2011 and not other years? One fiing, all zeros across the board?

BTW I do think you might have forced Gary to give you guys that little extra update with the Scope information. So that’s worth a pat on the back I guess.

 

[WeAAsles]

How and why are quite obvious. I've been one of the few, including those supposedly in the know, that has maintained this will be a long process because of the difficulty in combining two contracts, two sets of language, two cultures and have three separate sides agree to the ultimate TA.

The issue is the how the proper expectations were not set and now there seems to be work being done to try and make the concessionary language seem rosy. It is inevitable to have language that is concessionary in most negotiations. The agreed language may be better for one but that compromise may make it concessionary to the other. Let's not hide from that.

You should have let Tom Regan know Friday how special you are. I heard he brought cookies with him in case someone needed a little reward.

 

[Racer X]

How and why are quite obvious. I've been one of the few, including those supposedly in the know, that has maintained this will be a long process because of the difficulty in combining two contracts, two sets of language, two cultures and have three separate sides agree to the ultimate TA.

The issue is the how the proper expectations were not set and now there seems to be work being done to try and make the concessionary language seem rosy. It is inevitable to have language that is concessionary in most negotiations. The agreed language may be better for one but that compromise may make it concessionary to the other. Let's not hide from that.

Obvious??? Hardly.... the amount of work, understanding of each other’s language and coming to agreement on how to proceed is not Obvious at all..Why some language existed in the past in each other’s agreements and how some may have survived is no way Obvious to the members of both the IAM and TWU. Any new language agreed upon no one can know the hard truth of the hows and whys unless they were part of it.

 

[ALUS78]

You can pretty much bet yer booty that AMT Scope is going to fall somewhere between the TWU Scope and the IAM Scope leaning towards more than less, but some less nonetheless.

And these AMP cats are going to be happier than little girls with a new doll houses. They don’t care about the jobs and say it here ALL the time. They want the MONEY cause they’re older birds and they want to bulk up that retirement egg and that’s it period.

When the money comes in you can expect the Drive to blow away once again like a fart in the wind.

(Sorry for being so harsh but it’s how I see it my old AMT friends here)

Weez I think you'll agree Metal is one if not the most level headed posters on here.Ill give him the benefit of the doubt on this one.not only that cause he is among the rank and file

 

[WeAAsles]

Obvious??? Hardly.... the amount of work, understanding of each other’s language and coming to agreement on how to proceed is not Obvious at all..Why some language existed in the past in each other’s agreements and how some may have survived is no way Obvious to the members of both the IAM and TWU. Any new language agreed upon no one can know the hard truth of the hows and whys unless they were part of it.

If the hows and why’s were so obvious then the new TWU Fleet President’s would not have needed so far two separate meetings with the past Presidents who actually did the work to try and understand how they arrived where they ultimately did with the TA’d items.

Oh and now I hear they would like to have a meeting with the IAM Negotiators as well to gain there perspectives.

Doesn’t sound like it’s all so obvious to me either in that case.

P.S. What are people scared to use the phone these days? Crikey.

 

[Tim Nelson]

You can pretty much bet yer booty that AMT Scope is going to fall somewhere between the TWU Scope and the IAM Scope leaning towards more than less, but some less nonetheless.

And these AMP cats are going to be happier than little girls with a new doll houses. They don’t care about the jobs and say it here ALL the time. They want the MONEY cause they’re older birds and they want to bulk up that retirement egg and that’s it period.

When the money comes in you can expect the Drive to blow away once again like a fart in the wind.

(Sorry for being so harsh but it’s how I see it my old AMT friends here)

that certainly has been historical. I think its dead if the ass gets a good scope clause but there is some bias' aganst the association.

 

[WeAAsles]

Weez I think you'll agree Metal is one if not the most level headed posters on here.Ill give him the benefit of the doubt on this one.not only that cause he is among the rank and file

I wish this whole board had posters like Metal on here Al. MetalMover always strives to conduct himself with dignity and class.

I’m ABSOLUTELY not minimizing his opinions even if I just overwhelmingly disagree with them sometimes.

And if there ever were a successful Card Drive even though I would be disappointed that the TWU couldn’t satisfy them enough to remain I would sincerely congratulate him and wish him well. (I don’t feel that way about all of them no)