American Airlines and Labor Negotiations

[1AA]

All Envoy frontline employees are union now! Agents above the wing and below the wing

Envoy Express and Piedmont Express are contractors and bid on contracts to outsource the handling of ground operations

And so are United Airlines. Just because they are union it has no relevance to the fact AA is flipping flights from Mainline union employees to a third party union employee. To the association a union job is a union job. To the employee a union job going to another union company is a lose of a job. That's my point.

 

[1AA]

https://www.change.org/p/bring-tran...ampaign=share_petition&utm_term=confirm_email

 

[1AA]

APA has scope language on seat capacity moving fewer passengers’ –vs- more passengers at a cost. The seat capacity is always a big important contact article because of trickle down effect

That was good back when turbo props were limited. The APA needs new restrictions like number of flights better yet range of flights.

 

[WeAAsles]

All Envoy frontline employees are union now! Agents above the wing and below the wing

Envoy Express and Piedmont Express are contractors and bid on contracts to outsource the handling of ground operations

Well this is news to me. Can you tell me who is representing all these people wearing Envoy shirts?

Here in MIA people wearing Envoy shirts took over wheelchair and chute bag handling. I was informed they are not Union and are even being paid less then they were when they worked for Eulen?

 

[WeAAsles]

And so are United Airlines. Just because they are union it has no relevance to the fact AA is flipping flights from Mainline union employees to a third party union employee. To the association a union job is a union job. To the employee a union job going to another union company is a lose of a job. That's my point.

And here you go again (never ending) with your nonsense. You don’t even know among these groups who is represented and who is not? If they are represented you don’t even know who represents them. You just go with your own flow.

Dues in the TWU are 2 times the members hourly rate paid monthly. At $30.00 per hour the Union makes $60.00 per month off of me. TWU Represented AE (Envoy) Employees top out at $15.00 so the Union only makes HALF from them that they make from me.

So your point is moronic.

 

[WeAAsles]

I hope they are wise enough to bring it up Weas. We are way above the threshold as well. I thought it was a violation as well. I don't know if the NC even knows how many flights come in and out of there. We have our own negotiations going on now. There's no telling where that will lead.

Colonel I’m sorry, again what city are you in?

And the TWU does monitor Station flight activity but that currently wouldn’t have anything to do with the NC per se. Those are grievances to restaff that have to work there way through.

I wish you guys all the best in your Negotiations. I think the imperative for you all is you need to gain a flow through agreement. Having to resign from Envoy and reapply for AA is complete BS.

BTW is Andrew Rangolan on your NC?

 

[WeAAsles]

That was good back when turbo props were limited. The APA needs new restrictions like number of flights better yet range of flights.

I doubt the APA needs any advice from you or I on their SCOPE.

Envoy: Not quite 17,000 Employees in total. We have over 18,000 in AA Mainline Fleet Service alone.

And the other service providers outside the Envoy umbrella are feeders. No different than a bus taking a person to the airport for a flight.

 

[Kev3188]

And so are United Airlines. Just because they are union it has no relevance to the fact AA is flipping flights from Mainline union employees to a third party union employee. To the association a union job is a union job. To the employee a union job going to another union company is a lose of a job. That's my point.

Exactly. This is what outfits like UGE are such a double edged sword.

That was good back when turbo props were limited. The APA needs new restrictions like number of flights better yet range of flights.

For ground staff, for too long the fixation has on mainline departure counts. It should shift to “any jet powered aircraft,” or any flight flying under the AA banner.

Well this is news to me. Can you tell me who is representing all these people wearing Envoy shirts?

Here in MIA people wearing Envoy shirts took over wheelchair and chute bag handling. I was informed they are not Union and are even being paid less then they were when they worked for Eulen?

CWA.

 

[WeAAsles]

Don’t know about tee shirt wearing people

Contract your informant of the determination of NMB certification of Envoy and their collective bargaining representative

https://cwa-union.org/news/entry/stronger_together_envoy_agents_vote_for_cwa_representation

Actually it was an agent upstairs who told me that last week when I saw a person wearing an Envoy shirt. That agent also said that the Company was paying them less than the former Eulen America employees were being paid here in MIA?

I assume they still haven’t gained there first Contract?

BTW the CWA is not representing all Envoy employees because the TWU represents them in LAA Hub locations on the Ramp.

“F. After the date of signing of this agreement any new city/cities staffed by the Company with the TWU Fleet Service Clerks as a result of the provisions of Article 1.E., above, will not be subject to the provisions of Article 1.D. For purposes of this paragraph a new city is defined as any city other than BOS, DFW, JFK, LAX, LGA, MIA, ORD and SJU.”

http://twulocal570.com/wp-content/u...ve_Bargaining_Agreement_TWU_Fleet_Service.pdf

 

[WeAAsles]

Wow and we think the Company doesn’t meet with us often enough. In the August update they mention the MIA Wheelchair attendants so that answers that question.

https://envoyagents.org/category/bargaining-updates/

 

[WeAAsles]

For ground staff, for too long the fixation has on mainline departure counts. It should shift to “any jet powered aircraft,” or any flight flying under the AA banner.

I love the idea but I also love the idea of having a new contract before I retire too.

Honest question. Let’s say a city only gets an AA flight come in once a week. How do we staff that with AA Union in-house? Do they also have to bring in AA Management and support staff?

What about seasonal cities? Steamboat Springs Co comes to mind. We only fly there during Ski Season.

 

[CremaDiLimone]

At DL, we continually hear how Asia is where we need to be. We are also adding MSP-PVG (subject to government approval) in 2020, using an A350.



DGS currently handles us in RDU. I have heard a few times that annual turnover can exceed 100%. Just having a stable workforce will help immensely.

well, you can probably count on dl to fly the correct equipment...while aa was/is getting criticized by it's pilots and F/As on it's own website for using the 787 out of ord to china and japan. japan airlines uses a 777-300.

don't get me wrong, i'll defend my airline when needed, but i'm not captain aa. i strongly believe my airline can be so much better, from ops to profitability. unfortunately, the more one ponders it, my company would give excess profits to shareholders, not to me and my co-workers.

the malaise that has set in, will be hard to get rid of. it will take years. aa seems to be firmly entrenched as the #3 airline of the big 3.

 

[CremaDiLimone]

I agree with it being more efficient. Some of these cities have no business being outsourced and this is coming from an Envoy guy. It just makes no sense with the high turnover rate. It is going to be interesting to see how your scope works out and affects stations like mine and BNA, ABQ, MSY, IND, and MEM. Yeah and the MBR is crazy in certain stations. It is however alot better than it used to be systemwide and is great here.

colonel.ramp, if i had it my way, i'd promote you to general.

there are some quality envoy workers i work with in my work area, but overall, they'd rather play cards and dominoes than ramp premium intl. bags. the fact of the matter is, they rarely get disciplined because envoy desperately needs as many heads as possible in ord.

recent (july 2018) stats from the government tell us that out of 12 airlines reporting, envoy is dead last as far as MBR, and out of 17 airlines reporting, 16th as far as % of cancelled flights.

excluding the poor customer service from a service company, the money is a huge hit. $45-$50 these days for 1 burned bag? add in new rules from the government that an airline MUST refund the baggage fee if a bag is not returned within 12 hrs (domestic)/24 hrs (intl). i believe those are the parameters..12 and 24 hrs.

all i see is aa growing envoy/eagle more out of ord. so, more of the above.

 

[CremaDiLimone]

They are going to enact big changes to DFW and I guess we'll see how this turns out. You just get a feeling that this mgmt group just wants to do things cheaper no matter who suffers for it, including the customers.

the guy you guys are getting in salisbury, really didn't turn things upside-down in ord. i heard he would, but maybe he wasn't here long enough.

the main quality of work problem here of 8 month seniority P/Ters with am shifts/shifts in good work areas is the brainchild of a laa former crew chief, who is now an admin. big shot.

 

[737823]

Why didn’t you and your handlers organize the rest of Envoy TWU was already on the property

Aren’t you an organizer with the union

If the mainline agents were unorganized why would Envoy (formerly American Eagle) have been organized?

Josh