American Airlines and Labor Negotiations

[Rogallo]

 

[PIEDMONT784]

Lets say we the membership were to see that offer .Then vote on it n turn it down how would both sides react then? 2nd why is it that members seem to "enjoy" being divided and conquered" when, despite differences, we ought to be standing together to get best deal possible. People keep forgetting mgmt is not the friend here. Their only looking out for themselves

Robbed, you are missing the point here...
The only ones that "enjoy" divide and conquer, are the ones promoting it!
They are trying to make us (you) feel stupid, for trusting the union leadership.

Remember, this forum is NOT a reflection of the membership's overall sentiment. It is a reflection of an alternate reality created by subversive elements for misinformation. The majority does not feel the way our resident union bashers wish to convey.

This is the "Divide and Conquer" formula that has been used by a handful here (including the supposed banker) since the inception...

Sow discord ---> Suggest Union Leaders are useless and overpaid ---> Suggest voting out the Union and
Association ---> COMPANY WINS! --- (REPEAT, OVER, AND OVER)

>SPIT<

 

[PIEDMONT784]

Can't say I enjoy being right all of the time but the membership is stupid as hell. Not that they have low IQ's but they are simply willingly ignorant.

They are trying to make us (you) feel stupid, for trusting the union leadership.

I rest my case...

 

[ALUS78]

I guess Eagle and Condor don’t monitor Airline Forums any longer?

Can’t say I blame them for abandoning it if that’s what they did.

Trying to get me in trouble weez,thats a good idea ban me and there will be 3 people posting.Cant wait till you and nyer pass each other in the hall

 

[ALUS78]

Robbed, you are missing the point here...
The only ones that "enjoy" divide and conquer, are the ones promoting it!
They are trying to make us (you) feel stupid, for trusting the union leadership.

Remember, this forum is NOT a reflection of the membership's overall sentiment. It is a reflection of an alternate reality created by subversive elements for misinformation. The majority does not feel the way our resident union bashers wish to convey.

This is the "Divide and Conquer" formula that has been used by a handful here (including the supposed banker) since the inception...

Sow discord ---> Suggest Union Leaders are useless and overpaid ---> Suggest voting out the Union and
Association ---> COMPANY WINS! --- (REPEAT, OVER, AND OVER)

>SPIT<

Dont know where you work but I dont think majority are in favor of giving them a pay raise while not having a joint contract.

 

[WeAAsles]

Trying to get me in trouble weez,thats a good idea ban me and there will be 3 people posting.Cant wait till you and nyer pass each other in the hall

Sorry Al. The 3 Stooges act just isn’t funny at all anymore.

All the customers have left the club and the owners turned the lights out. Sad.

 

[WeAAsles]

Dont know where you work but I dont think majority are in favor of giving them a pay raise while not having a joint contract.

BTW Al since your off the wall, flakey, lunatic kook buddy could never provide the link to WTF he’s talking about. HERE, I’ll do it for the batty clown.

(Disclaimer: I am not an IAM Member so I could care less about this issue)

https://iam141.org/wp-content/uploads/2018/12/2019_Bylaws_Current_Proposed_Language_181210.pdf

 

[PIEDMONT784]

Dont know where you work but I dont think majority are in favor of giving them a pay raise while not having a joint contract.

Tim, are you able to substantiate this claim with any concrete verifiable sources or documents? Are you speaking FOR the majority of the membership with their full consent?

 

[ALUS78]

Sorry Al. The 3 Stooges act just isn’t funny at all anymore.

All the customers have left the club and the owners turned the lights out. Sad.

Very thin audience but I still get a few smiles. I dont sit in the lunch room by myself

 

[AANOTOK]

I must admit, the effort and overtime that's exhibited by a few wanting to silence the voice of one among many is impressive indeed. Maybe borderline paranoia, but impressive non the less. My kind of workaholics.

 

[AANOTOK]

Very thin audience but I still get a few smiles. I dont sit in the lunch room by myself

I don't either Al, we sit in there and discuss the shortfalls (to put it mildly) of both the TWU and IAM.
And before the rah rah's step in here, we also lay heavy blame on AA management, especially Isom.

 

[WeAAsles]

I must admit, the effort and overtime that's exhibited by a few wanting to silence the voice of one among many is impressive indeed. Maybe borderline paranoia, but impressive non the less. My kind of workaholics.

Have you ever sat in a room with a group of people trying to have an intelligent conversation and had one guy that was a conspiracy theorist who was frantically rattling on to the point that they were almost out of breath trying to convince the room? When that person would stop someone reasonable would try to get there point across but that guy would cut the reasonable guy right off and start ranting again. And this time he was almost at the point of yelling to try to get his point across.

Now if you work with that person and he’s on your crew you’re stuck with the guy. You can walk out and leave the guy ranting and your poor other coworkers can be subjected to his lunacy. Or you can “TRY” to remain calm yourself and just keep saying, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO and “HOPE” he walks out of the room himself and you can all have some peace.

Forums really used to be a great place to talk about things in an intelligent way many times if you were on back then AANOTOK.

 

[LuvnTheSky]

they are voting themselves a pay raise, the membership isnt strong enuf to get in the way, i dont believe.
I think you are stuck in the iam though.

And yet when your soon-to-be former President friend NYER gave himself a raise for not lifting a finger in negotiations for over 2 years because he was't invited to the dance (a flat out lie BTW) you said NOTHING! Hypocrite free-loader!

 

[WeAAsles]

I don't either Al, we sit in there and discuss the shortfalls (to put it mildly) of both the TWU and IAM.
And before the rah rah's step in here, we also lay heavy blame on AA management, especially Isom.

I’m sorry? Who are you talking about that lays “heavy blame” on Management for things? I really don’t see that often here honestly.

Maybe if Forums had more “Fair and Balanced” individuals you wouldn’t have anyone feeling like they need to Rah Rah for anyone?

If you don’t have a good counterbalance the Fat Bastard is gonna fall flat on his ass on that See Saw.

 

[AANOTOK]

Have you ever sat in a room with a group of people trying to have an intelligent conversation and had one guy that was a conspiracy theorist who was frantically rattling on to the point that they were almost out of breath trying to convince the room? When that person would stop someone reasonable would try to get there point across but that guy would cut the reasonable guy right off and start ranting again. And this time he was almost at the point of yelling to try to get his point across.

Now if you work with that person and he’s on your crew you’re stuck with the guy. You can walk out and leave the guy ranting and your poor other coworkers can be subjected to his lunacy. Or you can “TRY” to remain calm yourself and just keep saying, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO and “HOPE” he walks out of the room himself and you can all have some peace.

Forums really used to be a great place to talk about things in an intelligent way many times if you were on back then AANOTOK.

I have been a part of these forums when that actually existed. Discussion was simple, civil and informative. Now, too many times if someone disagrees then they are labeled, called names and are said to have an agenda. No one here is man enough to let it go and discuss what really matters. And yes, I have been guilty on numerous occasions. (and I unlike others will admit that) while others always blame the other side. Some here will never get it because they are never wrong. For that reason, and others, this forum will NEVER be what it once was.Bring me a JCBA and I'll be happy.

As for the room W, sure, haven't we all. Either laugh or ingnore that person. I don't make it a goal in life to try and change their mind in fear they may pollute the whole membership as some do here. That's just freaking insane and a waste of energy. But to some it really is a bit of paranoia or a personal agenda...Like I said, if your gonna put that much effort into saving the IAM, come on over bagroom, love to work with that kind of effort, as long as it's directed towards bags and not people.