American Airlines and Labor Negotiations

[ALUS78]

http://www.iambtf.org/

Is it a supplement

 

[Buck]

Apparently you can’t think for yourself and making up lies.

What is fake in my post?

When you do not use your own material it is fake.

All I see is slander and false accusations, take your own advice and back up what you say.

What do you want to discuss?

Come back with facts and debate.

That goes for both of us, you run with no facts.
I have posted some links to where I am reading
You have posted nothing.

Or don’t you have to go defend swampy?

Not defense. I simply wanted to know why you suddenly showed up to attack him?

You are a low information and misinformation.

These people can read for themselves or are you use to doing it for them?

How do you find time to post while running the AMP drive?

Misinformation.
Why are you worried about the AMP drive and I am not running anything.
I am a supporter just like AMFA. But you came out of fear of possibly losing your union, all I can do is admit I am not running it. Enough cards were not signed or not enough interest. I have no problem with that.

Apparently you can’t think for yourself and making up lies.

What is fake in my post?

When you do not use your own material it is fake.

All I see is slander and false accusations, take your own advice and back up what you say.

What do you want to discuss?

Come back with facts and debate.

That goes for both of us, you run with no facts.
I have posted some links to where I am reading
You have posted nothing.

Or don’t you have to go defend swampy?

Not defense. I simply wanted to know why you suddenly showed up to attack him?

You are a low information and misinformation.

These people can read for themselves or are you use to doing it for them?

How do you find time to post while running the AMP drive?

Misinformation.
Why are you worried about the AMP drive and I am not running anything.
I am a supporter just like AMFA. But you came out of fear of possibly losing your union, all I can do is admit I am not running it. Enough cards were not signed or not enough interest. I have no problem with that.

 

[WeAAsles]

Wow, a cwa site? They need the American Labor Movement Union

If you throw in this T Shirt for every card signer I bet you’ll get em in mighty quick.



Heck you might even see a Weez card in your ORD Mailbox.

 

[Talos]

This is a subject that no one wants to talk about.
The reason you don't remember an announcement is because this was a deal made between the asso. and the company without any say so from the membership once again. The membership had no vote on rather to allow the cross utilization for a raise in wages. It was a deal brought forward by the company to the asso. as it was the company that needed the cross utilization soo badly and quickly. Therefore the asso. made the deal with the company in quiet nego's. The asso. then put out an announcement announcing that "they" the asso., has made a huge agreement with the company to gain some early raises for the members outside of having a contract. They bragged so much on the raises that most saw right thru their tactics and just accepted it.
Now, if you remember, yes that was a pretty good increases made but only because that is how bad the company wanted the cross utilization on each others metal. It was in fact at that current time the ONLY leverage the asso. had and it went right out the window.
This agreement did several things; 1- Gave the company exactly what they needed to move forward without costly delays and maint travel and overtime cost. 2- Gave the asso. a very large increase in dues monies across the board of both unions (substantial increase in dues coming in). 3- Lost 2 leverage points from the unions- A- lost the fact that the membership receives an early raise, this keeps the membership calm and collective. B- Lost the cross utilization leverage that the company needed so desperately.
A terrible move by the asso. in a lot of people's minds, but as usual this asso will always be willing to back the company for whatever they ever need until the membership gets sick and tired of it...

Have to agree with you here. The lack of voting brings lack of trust. The bargaining position was greatly weakened and now not much reason for the company to have any urgency. I don't expect these mediated talks to produce much but we'll see. It does seem like the Association doesn't think things through and just looked at the money like a child with a candy bar.

 

[WeAAsles]

There is a guy on your AMP Facebook page who’s waiting 14 weeks for an answer to his questions.

Jeff has been waiting 15 weeks now.

 

[GVPSPIAM]

Actually AA has stated there funded 85% which is allowed by law, with the remaining 15% that can be used by the company.
It is also a Private Pension compaired to the IAMPF which has government support under the PBGC.
When the IAMPF was cut "once", where did the money stolen from the pensioners and workers disappear to?
Why would a pension "EVER" require to be in jeopardy?

Wrong. It’s underfunded by almost $ 2 billion.(TWU Part)

Dude you are posting misinformation.

EVERY pension that is a DBP is insured by the PBGC.

The company by law cannot use your frozen pension funds for general use.

Where do you get you misinformation from?

You have no clue what you are talking about.

The IAMNPF has zero funding or help from the PBGC.

Do you even know what the PBGC does?

PBGC only administers pensions that have been terminated.

No money was stolen, why are you lying?

I have to say your just plain uneducated.

https://www.pionline.com/article/20...oks-467-million-pension-contribution-for-2018

All of AA’s pensions are $7 billion underfunded.

It has an obligation of $18.28 billion and only has $11.13 billion in it.

Is your favorite movie Clueless with Alicia Silverstone?

Class is over for today Buck, come back when you actually post facts instead of your made up crap.

 

[WeAAsles]

Why does the IAM not explain it's internal Health Care plan that will possibly be added to the contract.
It might be a way to shore up the IAMPF.

Hey cool. A new Boogeyman has joined the IAMNPF under the Mechanics bed now.

It’s now the IAM Medical Plan Goblin going to pop out and eat the Family Dog.

Boy Bucky you really are grasping for straws now bro. LMAO.

 

[GVPSPIAM]

Jeff has been waiting 15 weeks now.

View attachment 13782

Thank you

 

[ALUS78]

Wrong. It’s underfunded by almost $ 2 billion.(TWU Part)

Dude you are posting misinformation.

EVERY pension that is a DBP is insured by the PBGC.

The company by law cannot use your frozen pension funds for general use.

Where do you get you misinformation from?

You have no clue what you are talking about.

The IAMPF has zero funding or help from the PBGC.

Do you even know what the PBGC does?

PBGC only administers pensions that have been terminated.

No money was stolen, why are you lying?

I have to say your just plain uneducated.

https://www.pionline.com/article/20...oks-467-million-pension-contribution-for-2018

All of AA’s pensions are $7 billion underfunded.

It has an obligation of $18.28 billion and only has $11.13 billion in it.

Is your favorite movie Clueless with Alicia Silverstone?

Class is over for today Buck, come back when you actually post facts instead of your made up crap.

Oh lordy

 

[737823]

Some things never change:

Bob stop with the fear mongering and lies.

The IAMNPF doesnt and wont take your frozen pension, AA would have to put billions into for that to happen.

It would be financially irresponsible to put the IAMNPF into the yellow or red status and screw current members to take your frozen pension, the PBGC would have a lot to say about.

Stop fear mongering.

Who is lying? The fact is the Association already said they are looking to get us all into the IAMNPF, and with an average age of 55 why would they want us unless they were also getting our AA pension funds? The AA plan for TWU would not need billions because under the IAMNPF the liability would be much less due to the elimination of perks in the AA plan such as being able to retire at 60 without penalty, plus the increased penalty under the IAM plan that would go from 3% per year prior to 60 under the AA plan to 4.8% per year prior to 65 (under the AA plan if someone retired at 55 they would only lose 15% but under the IAMNPF they would lose 48%) and the restrictions on working. Under the AA plan you are only restricted from working for AA, but under the IAM plan you cant work in the industry.

The Association already stated that they intend to get us all under the IAMNPF, how would that benefit us other than trapping us at AA till at least 65? How much would we see from the IAM plan after only being in it for five to ten years? Isnt it true that under multi-employer plans they can reduce our pensions? With wages going up into the mid $40s wouldn't we be better off going for a 401K match somewhere between what the Pilots and Flight Attendants are getting instead of the paltry $4160 contribution to the IAMNPF? If we settled for what the Flight attendants have we would average around $10,000 CONTRIBUTION per year from the company, into an account we control with no restrictions on employment, vs the $4160 going into the IAMNPF no matter how many hours we work.

I already lost half my pension, I don't want to put any more of my future at risk by putting my pension into a fund controlled by a Union that I'm not even a member of.

Josh

 

[WeAAsles]

Have to agree with you here. The lack of voting brings lack of trust. The bargaining position was greatly weakened and now not much reason for the company to have any urgency. I don't expect these mediated talks to produce much but we'll see. It does seem like the Association doesn't think things through and just looked at the money like a child with a candy bar.

They’ve only had one official face to face session with the Mediators present so far.

Next week is their second week face to face.

 

[ALUS78]

Hey cool. A new Boogeyman has joined the IAMNPF under the Mechanics bed now.

It’s now the IAM Medical Plan Goblin going to pop out and eat the Family Dog.

Boy Bucky you really are grasping for straws now bro. LMAO.

You dont think there is a possibility the iam medical plan is going to be discussed in upcoming negotiations??

 

[GVPSPIAM]

More for you Buckie. There will be a quiz so study.

From the PBGC in 2012 about your AA pensions.

https://www.pbgc.gov/wr/other/pg/american-airlines-amr-pensions

 

[Buck]

What is to explain?

It’s not being discussed in negotiations and why would something be explained that’s not relevant.

Anything in the JCBA when agreed to in a TA will be explained at the road shows.

Are you a new employee? As you seem to have no clue on negotiations.

You are stating that you are sitting in on negotiations?
While the Local TWU Presidents are not allowed in the room?
New employee, 35 years of fighting your socilaist organization.
No I have never been allowed in negotiations, didn't you accuse Tim Nelson of the same thing?
Perhaps that is all you do is sit in? Do you work in the airline Industry?

 

[GVPSPIAM]

Glad to see you ignore the facts and reality of your pension. When I proved you 100% wrong.