American Airlines and Labor Negotiations

[Tim Nelson]

You want ARBITRATION????? Go ask the FAs how THAT worked out for them.

if we reject a contract, sito and his baker Alex will sign for arbitration or just keep what we have indefinately.
There will be no cooling off or peb. We are certain.

 

[charlie Brown]

His PHL numbers seem low to me.Doesnt our current contract have the where and when language in it?I could probably go back and find it in previous contracts also.Dont get me wrong i could hold out as long as it takes actually the longer the better for me

Yes it currently has the when and where directed. The problem is the company wants to put much more of the current work under the when and where directed.

 

[Tim Nelson]

Do you live under the illusion if you post or say something enough it will come true??
I’ve already told you before on this exact post, that your way off on the 1200 Jobs. Or maybe you had it up to 2000 Jobs then. No job loss in clt from 175 work. Mainline works very few anymore. And DC has crossutilized which kicked in no displacement from that city protection, except those that were hired after the date of the interim agreement. Which isn’t that many. So I guess your going to say that 99% or those 1200 are going to be in Phl. But keep saying it, someone like you probably hopes it comes true. But again. Your way off on the 1200.

I guess nobody can stop you from claiming lost and unprotected work in clt wont mean anything. Last system seniority roster had alot of junior guys in the system that can also be affected.
You can downplay phl all you want, and get away with it. Cripes you just stole another $30,000 a year salary from the guys. Sad.

 

[Tim Nelson]

Yes it currently has the when and where directed. The problem is the company wants to put much more of the current work under the when and where directed.

not true. Abr, bagroom...all protected. Keep making stuff up.

 

[charlie Brown]

if we reject a contract, sito and his baker Alex will sign for arbitration or just keep what we have indefinately.
There will be no cooling off or peb. We are certain.

No.. no we are not certain. What we are certain about is that once arbitration is turned down, you will change your scenario ONCE AGAIN, so you can say the famous words “ I told you guys but you just didn’t listen”.

 

[charlie Brown]

I guess nobody can stop you from claiming lost and unprotected work in clt wont mean anything. Last system seniority roster had alot of junior guys in the system that can also be affected.
You can downplay phl all you want, and get away with it. Cripes you just stole another $30,000 a year salary from the guys. Sad.

CLT just like PHL just like any station stands to be decimated as far as losing jobs if we brought out what the company currently wants. It would be far worse than just 175.
But let’s be clear about your post. You stated 1200 jobs in Phl, dc, and Clt from 175 work. Correct Tim??

 

[Tim Nelson]

That sounds low, much more here 175s here bunch of people hired after the agreement could be let go

ever since he got a pay bump he been lying. Now stealing another $30,000 from you guys makes it even easier for him to lie. Of course the numbers are higher but he dont care. Hopefully, he doesnt do anything stupid that cost all this work.

 

[ALUS78]

I guess nobody can stop you from claiming lost and unprotected work in clt wont mean anything. Last system seniority roster had alot of junior guys in the system that can also be affected.
You can downplay phl all you want, and get away with it. Cripes you just stole another $30,000 a year salary from the guys. Sad.

Yes CB how do you justify a large raise while we are still in negotiations.And 30k is quite a pop

 

[charlie Brown]

not true. Abr, bagroom...all protected. Keep making stuff up.

No it’s not protected. Stop BS,ing the few that still listens to you. What the company currently wants Except for the few stations they will allow for deicing and cargo, is to put all other work other than loading and unloading aircraft under the where and when directed category.
Again. You keep stating the same Bs because I guess you think it will eventually come true.

 

[Tim Nelson]

No.. no we are not certain. What we are certain about is that once arbitration is turned down, you will change your scenario ONCE AGAIN, so you can say the famous words “ I told you guys but you just didn’t listen”.

Doesnt matter if you are certain or not, your handlers already know. There will not be a cooling off, so stop lying. Also, in your fairytales, have some decency and at least explain that there may not be a cooling off option, instead of talking about it. There will not be a cooling off. Thats actually certain. Its acceptance or sito will have to agree to arbitration. Dope said same thing 6 months ago with DL19 but then wrote a letter and telling all the LC that he had to sign for arbitration. Idiot had his son present the case. Not that Superman could have won either.

 

[charlie Brown]

Yes CB how do you justify a large raise while we are still in negotiations.And 30k is quite a pop

The raise that the membership voted on was for all district officers of 141, including UA and HA officers as well as AA. A Local that wanted to change the by laws which is how this happened, since the convention is only every other year, would pretty much always have someone in negotiations. Our board is made up of many more UA members than AA. UA is not in negotiations.

 

[ALUS78]

No it’s not protected. Stop BS,ing the few that still listens to you. What the company currently wants Except for the few stations they will allow for deicing and cargo, is to put all other work other than loading and unloading aircraft under the where and when directed category.
Again. You keep stating the same Bs because I guess you think it will eventually come true.

Forget the bullchit tit for tat what do you think.what do you think its going to take to break this stalemate and get a contract?

 

[Tim Nelson]

CLT just like PHL just like any station stands to be decimated as far as losing jobs if we brought out what the company currently wants. It would be far worse than just 175.
But let’s be clear about your post. You stated 1200 jobs in Phl, dc, and Clt from 175 work. Correct Tim??

No current employee would be displaced. I saw the offer, maybe you didnt. I went to pbi after i saw it.
You are just lying. Keep telling clt that the bagroom and abr will be gone.

 

[charlie Brown]

Doesnt matter if you are certain or not, your handlers already know. There will not be a cooling off, so stop lying. Also, in your fairytales, have some decency and at least explain that there may not be a cooling off option, instead of talking about it. There will not be a cooling off. Thats actually certain. Its acceptance or sito will have to agree to arbitration. Dope said same thing 6 months ago with DL19 but then wrote a letter and telling all the LC that he had to sign for arbitration. Idiot had his son present the case. Not that Superman could have won either.

Tim
Arbitration can be turned down as you know. Then it’s a cooling off period and more than likely a PEB, as I agree with one thing you say, in that we won’t be able to strike. But the company is even pushing for a PEB not arbitration. Again, just because you say I’m lying 100 times doesn’t make it true. What would someone gain lying about that anyway? I think a PEB would be just as bad as arbitration, so why would anyone lie about it?

 

[charlie Brown]

Forget the bullchit tit for tat what do you think.what do you think its going to take to break this stalemate and get a contract?

It’s going to take the company to move. We can’t bring out what’s on the table. It’s just too much job ( meaning work ) loss for our group. If the move never happens, then I think we will end up in a PEB. The PEB will listen to both sides, put together a contract, and we would have the membership vote on it. That I believe is where we are headed if the company doesn’t move.