American Airlines and Labor Negotiations

[NYer]

ok...and we'll try to use the facts that other airlines pay much more generous contractual/or not, profit sharing and work RJs in their hubs.

if it works one way, it has to work the other.

what i'm trying to convey is to find aa's weak spot(s). hint or even tell them you'll go after it. to me, the company knows (and brags...even giving preliminary figures) of how much more $$ the company will be raking in in the near term. credit card deals and further synergies.

the company wants to protect it's mountain of profits, not share a larger portion with us.



that you are realistic on the lus insurance issue...though, he wouldn't call you realistic.

The NMB uses Corporate America as a comparison and not just DL or US. The purpose is to get a deal but not necessarily a fair deal for us, as many assume. That's the assumption we made in 2010 when we were in Mediation under Labor-friendly Administration.

In Mediation, the key is movement and if one side has shown movement the pressure is for the other side to make a commensurate move.

 

[Tim Nelson]

The NMB uses Corporate America as a comparison and not just DL or US. The purpose is to get a deal but not necessarily a fair deal for us, as many assume. That's the assumption we made in 2010 when we were in Mediation under Labor-friendly Administration.

In Mediation, the key is movement and if one side has shown movement the pressure is for the other side to make a commensurate move.

honestly, arent we getting ahead cuz im guessing a ta fairly soon since the company intentionally put these videos out?
im guessing they sweeten the offer insomuch that alex will pressurize sito to give up the lus health. I mean, im not so sure alex is too popular since twu peeps here that ive talked to think alex is stalling since alex guaranteed that he will fight to include laa on lus health. most simply dont believe that is possible so they think alex has something else goin on.
if i were twu id be busting alex' balls but as a iam guy im shocked and surprised that he is sticking with us....and i love it but i dont believe it will last. if it does then there is a 100% chance the company closes 5 twu stations. who is to blame?

 

[ALUS78]

Wrong! CWA/IBT had leverage IAM/TWU does not

The reason there was a quick agreement is passengers service system cut over from LUS to LAA and allowing passenger first point on contract on both LAA and LUS. And the justice department lawsuit

And that was your leverage you could have held tbings up.You see the company is offering things to us your union said they wouldnt budge on.I mean youll get them your next contract but you had them and let them go all for the money

 

[Tim Nelson]

Wrong! CWA/IBT had leverage IAM/TWU does not

The reason there was a quick agreement is passengers service system cut over from LUS to LAA and allowing passenger first point on contract on both LAA and LUS. And the justice department lawsuit

is that moron called Velvet still in charge? you guys had tons of leverage but gave things up. as soon as it was voted on it seemed like every laa ord voted for it.

 

[ALUS78]

is that moron called Velvet still in charge? you guys had tons of leverage but gave things up. as soon as it was voted on it seemed like every laa ord voted for it.

They saw the money and the rest is history they gave up baggage services

 

[ALUS78]

Yep! A major opportunity missed that CWA/IBT will never see again. Considerable concessions taken and lost that will never be gained back. Not to mention record braking profits. Hey envoy and Piedmont Express are CWA now so all is good RIGHT

Conflict of interest I dont give a chit what anyone says

 

[Tim Nelson]

There is a long list of what CWA/IBT gave up
that LAA agents eyes can’t and didn’t and never will see

true

 

[737823]

Wrong! CWA/IBT had leverage IAM/TWU does not

The reason there was a quick agreement is passengers service system cut over from LUS to LAA and allowing passenger first point on contract on both LAA and LUS. And the justice department lawsuit

John John the DOJ lawsuit was filed 08/12/13 and was settled 11/12/13. Are you referring to the CWA section six T/A that got pulled and was never voted on?

http://www.airlineforums.com/threads/cwa-tentative-agreement.55977/

Josh

 

[737823]

Yep! A major opportunity missed that CWA/IBT will never see again. Considerable concessions taken and lost that will never be gained back. Not to mention record braking profits. Hey envoy and Piedmont Express are CWA now so all is good RIGHT

Before CWA-IBT LAA didn’t have CARS doing agent work, that was a concession.

Josh

 

[737823]

Yep! A major opportunity missed that CWA/IBT will never see again. Considerable concessions taken and lost that will never be gained back. Not to mention record braking profits. Hey envoy and Piedmont Express are CWA now so all is good RIGHT

Ever since Piedmont moved over to LAA/South/B-2 at BOS (gate B36) their agents scream into the PA but are mumbling so no one can seem to understand. Would almost be more efficient for them to get up and relay the message to each passenger on the tiny E145 to PIT

Josh

 

[737823]

Conflict of interest I dont give a chit what anyone says

What about IAM and ZW, McGee, UGE, etc?

Josh

 

[Tim Nelson]

What about IAM and ZW, McGee, UGE, etc?

Josh

the iam has knifed their airline members under King Scab Sito. Some pollyannas on this page believe Sito cares and that the pension is a goodie. Sad.

 

[737823]

the iam has knifed their airline members under King Scab Sito. Some pollyannas on this page believe Sito cares and that the pension is a goodie. Sad.

Tim does the Grand Lodge (and District) pension have a surviving spouse benefit?

Josh

 

[ALUS78]

What about IAM and ZW, McGee, UGE, etc?

Josh

Other contract companies too,after US utility was contracted out the replacement companies in some cities were represented by IAM ....UNBELIEVABLE

 

[ALUS78]

the iam has knifed their airline members under King Scab Sito. Some pollyannas on this page believe Sito cares and that the pension is a goodie. Sad.

We should have our own union,why should my dues money go to a candidate I don't support or go to buying a private jet for union bigwigs.The pilots have their own union ,makes sense to me