American Airlines and Labor Negotiations

[WeAAsles]

Good thing they do not represent fleet service at American Airlines. Fleet would be outsourced without a vote. Similar to what the Association did to all of us at AA.

The TWU/IAM Association outsourced you without a vote?

Besides it’s “The Company” who does the outsourcing and if you haven’t been paying attention they want to shrink a whole ton of your work. And along with that goes headcount.

It’s all about economics.

 

[MetalMover]

How’s AMP doing Metal? It’s such a secret Union that even the guys who started it forgot where they put it.

(One joke to another)

Too bad we don’t have the teamsters. They would’ve bought the contract on our behalf by now!

 

[MetalMover]

Must admit that is screwed up. So they either keep them or get rid of them.

At least it won’t take six years for a contract!
Eh, 737?

 

[MetalMover]

Let's see United Teamsters 5 years, successful ratified contract , members move up. Southwest AMFA over 6 years no successful ratified contract, members losing out! So pretty much rest my case.

At least you can say The IBT has another successful contract at UPS!

 

[CremaDiLimone]

It don’t matter anyway when the economy tanked and aa claimed financial ruins they got in two to three weeks concessions more then United are delta took from there employees in bk. Then in 12vthey went in the sham bk they even forgot to sell the castle before the judge and creditors found it. So the twu gave away the store and no SnapBack. But the clowns in the association in good times can’t even get us a contract because of Sitos greed for the iampf. He doesn’t care now about the lower insurance if it’s lost are not he does not face re election like he did. He gets his pay and insurance regardless. He cares about the iampf because that’s money to the iam. If he loses us insurance it’s nothing out of his pocket.

you're talking about 2003 and 2011 in the same tense and same scenario(s)?

you're saying that if aa was ok with all 30,000 assoc. members on lus/iam insurance, the exec. committee wouldn't have been happy and not brought it out to vote because it's really about the iam pension?

if word leaked out that that was the case, i'd think the exec. committee would be finished as soon as possible, along with everyone else in exec. positions. maybe the company would want us to know that?

 

[WeAAsles]

Too bad we don’t have the teamsters. They would’ve bought the contract on our behalf by now!

Well I’m not a fan of the maneuver myself and feel let the majority of those who bothered to vote (meaning they cared) count as the decider but they do have it written in their Constitution that this is how it would go if people were apathetic.

And BTW top paid Drivers make about $80,000 per year plus benefits. Probably why 60% didn’t care to vote?

https://teamster.filecamp.com/0/teamster/binary/25np-re7bjk5k.pdf

 

[MetalMover]

Well I’m not a fan of the maneuver myself and feel let the majority of those who bothered to vote (meaning they cared) count as the decider but they do have it written in their Constitution that this is how it would go if people were apathetic.

And BTW top paid Drivers make about $80,000 per year plus benefits. Probably why 60% didn’t care to vote?

https://teamster.filecamp.com/0/teamster/binary/25np-re7bjk5k.pdf

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[MetalMover]

Doesn’t the TWU international own the contract? Could they also have ratified a contract under certain conditions?

 

[1AA]

Doesn’t the TWU international own the contract? Could they also have ratified a contract under certain conditions?

That's what the federal judge ruled in 2003 when we took the ATD International to court. Local 562 vs TWU INTERNATIONAL.
Judge ruled the International has sole ownership of all CBA'S.

 

[WeAAsles]

Doesn’t the TWU international own the contract? Could they also have ratified a contract under certain conditions?

From what I’ve heard or believe yes they can ratify a Contract defying a vote? Even though yes they have had revotes in our careers with a few small tweaks added I don’t think they have ever gone the Nuclear option.

We already obviously know they can make unilateral changes since the wage increases of 2016 along with Cross Utilization and pay scale lengths were done without a vote too.

BTW Metal since you guys always say you want to compare yourselves to UPS and FedEx, I think Fleet should compare ourselves to UPS Drivers? Besides the CDL (Not difficult to get) these drivers are unskilled (OJT) Labor just like my Group.

 

[WeAAsles]

That's what the federal judge ruled in 2003 when we took the ATD International to court. Local 562 vs TWU INTERNATIONAL.
Judge ruled the International has sole ownership of all CBA'S.

Is this what you’re talking about? BTW you AMT’s really love to sue people. Your lawsuits are all over Google search.

https://www.casemine.com/judgement/us/5914b42cadd7b0493476ab0b

 

[WeAAsles]

One more thing. For those of you out there who spout the “Equal Pay for Equal Work” Nationwide mantra. UPS has different pay all over the Country depending on the work you perform and Drivers also don’t make the same pay in all regions.

Same thing if you look up the USPS. They have tons more different payscales.

https://upsrising.org/our-union-contract/2018-2023-ups-tentative-agreements/

 

[dfw gen]

You sound a lot like:
Bobby "lower your expectations" gless

 

[B737 driver]

Yea. And people still say that if we still had the teamsters we would have a contract within the first 3 years. LMAO!
Of course we would. With everything farmed out in scope as that t was the #1 item the company was after for over 4 years of nego. Teamsters would have endorsed it and forced it to pass just like they just did over at UPS with the package handlers. So sad.
Here's what the teamsters just slammed down the throats of the package handlers evn though "THE MAJORITY VOTED NO!!!" the crooked teamsters strike again. Pathetic I tell you...

UPS Union Ratifies Labor Deal Even Though Members Turned It ...

That's because the Teamsters have always had that rule in their constitution they can over ride it, if they feel it is in the best interest of their members. Just like AMFA at Northwest never allowed the members to vote on Northwest best and final offer, before the strike. There is not really much difference in unions anymore. It's a business, just like American or SWA wants to contract stuff out to save money.

 

[WeAAsles]

You sound a lot like:
Bobby "lower your expectations" gless

I’ve never met or spoken to the man. But the issue is funny to notice how I never read anyone from LGA, JFK, PHL, EWR, DCA, BOS, ORD, MIA, LAX, SAN, SFO or other high cost of living areas argue against the point.

But DFW and TUL are always more than ready to sound the battle cry aren’t they “DFW”gen?