American Airlines and Labor Negotiations

[ALUS78]

$5 billion?

My neighbor is an AA AMT he says I'm telling you they are going to file, a week later earnings come out even with all the chit or non chit depending on your belief even with the groundings that are very real still made a billion.Neighbor says to me yeah but the stock price went down.Ill wait till he brings his garbage cans in next time before I step on my driveway

 

[robbedagain]

That was just before HP merger. Following the HP merger US was making profits

You obviously did not watch the video. A USAIR employee made a comment that we bought AA. Parker corrected him with the brief explanation I posted. Watch the video. It's on Jetnet somewhere in the archives. USAIR needed to expand because the playing field was getting bigger. Delta and UAL wanted nothing to do with USAIR and Parker. AA was the only logical choice.

Ask yourself this question.
With USAIR only choice left was Chapt 7. Why take the AA name?

Hint: I keep hearing that another BK is possible.

US was making profits. If there another BK what wld be the reasoning...the company is making "record profits" so if they do another ch11 itd be to destroy labor n contracts

 

[NYer]

It's almost beyond comprehension how many of those that didn't believe they'd file BK after a decade of losses now believe they will file with a record stretch of profits.

 

[Talos]

That was just before HP merger. Following the HP merger US was making profits

US was making profits. If there another BK what wld be the reasoning...the company is making "record profits" so if they do another ch11 itd be to destroy labor n contracts

Both US Air and AA would have been much smaller than UAL and DAL. Very hard to compete and neither one would have done that well. The bankruptcy laws almost encourage companies like airlines, who can do very bad things to people and get away with it. Truth is LUS and LAA bailed each other out as they had to in order to have the size to compete.I just wish the labor situation would have gone much smoother than it has. What a mess.

 

[SkydrolJunkie]

If the IAM would have done the right thing in the merger and stepped aside to the bigger TWU there wouldn't be a labor situation.

Just sayin'

 

[1AA]

It's almost beyond comprehension how many of those that didn't believe they'd file BK after a decade of losses now believe they will file with a record stretch of profits.

It's called Agendas and that's the business world today. The losers are the working middle class of the USA.

 

[NYer]

If the IAM would have done the right thing in the merger and stepped aside to the bigger TWU there wouldn't be a labor situation.

Just sayin'

Whaaaat? I guess the endless card drives with the TWU is the example of Labor peace?

 

[SkydrolJunkie]

Whaaaat? I guess the endless card drives with the TWU is the example of Labor peace?

I'm talking unity. Not how much the TWU sucks!

 

[Tim Nelson]

That's why Parker said take any other contract and we'll sign it.Why dont these guys understand.

they do but guys like swamt have agendas. Swamt may be a nice enough guy but his agenda makes him dumb. Just stupid. No way he can figure it out.

 

[swamt]

Nah, the AA contract cost is also higher, per capita. Actually, blows the WN contract away in regards to, well, most everything. True, MX will lose scope, but it still crushes your pathetic scope. Dude, you guys only have like 2,000 mechanics. Granted, you could care less about future employees but it still sucks.
Toss in the job protections, and it's a goodie. No union, i.e., TWU, IAM, Association, Ladies Garment workers, etc would jump to sign the Gosh Awful contract at Southwest unless they wanted 10,000 workers contracted out. You know that so stop being dishonest.

As far as fleet, there will be simply no comparison between the company proposal and any other airline contract.

Dude, you are so out there and lost, and you look very sadly pathetic and lost. Keep routing for your "PATHETIC" asso to bring you what you THINK they will bring you. LOL. Keep dreaming there junior.

 

[Tim Nelson]

Dude, you are so out there and lost, and you look very sadly pathetic and lost. Keep routing for your "PATHETIC" asso to bring you what you THINK they will bring you. LOL. Keep dreaming there junior.

See, you cant read or intelligently discuss. You throw crap up that is dopey, due to your agenda, and refuse to give credit where credit needs to be.
I agree with you that our mx should consider amfa but your agenda forces you to have tantrums when I acknowledge that the association will eventually get credit for a contract that will be far superior than your limited contract. Dude, if the association took your contract, 10,000 mx would be laid off. Thats a fact that you need to see as constructive criticism but you and some other grease monkeys make your craft look stupid.

 

[ATD]

See, you cant read or intelligently discuss. You throw crap up that is dopey, due to your agenda, and refuse to give credit where credit needs to be.
I agree with you that our mx should consider amfa but your agenda forces you to have tantrums when I acknowledge that the association will eventually get credit for a contract that will be far superior than your limited contract. Dude, if the association took your contract, 10,000 mx would be laid off. Thats a fact that you need to see as constructive criticism but you and some other grease monkeys make your craft look stupid.

You are really not to smart: AA mx 7357 title 1, IAM maybe 3200
By your numbers 99% of mx outsourced.
First of all AA could not continue as an airline, AA will never be able to outsource that much work and compete with DL,SWA,UA.
Tim are really this obtuse.

 

[swamt]

See, you cant read or intelligently discuss. You throw crap up that is dopey, due to your agenda, and refuse to give credit where credit needs to be.
I agree with you that our mx should consider amfa but your agenda forces you to have tantrums when I acknowledge that the association will eventually get credit for a contract that will be far superior than your limited contract. Dude, if the association took your contract, 10,000 mx would be laid off. Thats a fact that you need to see as constructive criticism but you and some other grease monkeys make your craft look stupid.

I have given credit when and where it is deserved, and you know this. Delta was first to raise the rates this time around. Yes, a non-union shop gets the kudos for starting it all. Then AA promised Delta plus 7% for the mechanics. Then United came to new terms and Parker said on video Delta or United + 7%. Wasn't too long after that that Parker back pedaled down to D or U + 3% which was after other groups received the 4% bump, but the groups still nego contracts did not. He still held onto +3%. Then after a long pause in new agreements getting done, UPS comes along and gets theirs done with even a better target. Not too long after that SWA comes to new agreement, as well as Alaska. Each and every new agreement was helped by any and all the previous agreements. Still waiting for our fellow mechanics at AA to get their new contract.
To be very clear. NO your asso. does not deserve credit for the wages currently being offered. As already explained by other AA employees, the asso. was NOT asking nearly the same wages as SWA just attained in their new agreement. AND it was the co. nego side that offered to put the AA mechanics at SWA rates. This was not offered nor nego. or even suggested by the asso. to get SWA's new rates. Therefore credit (for the pay rates) cannot be given to the asso. as you are trying to do. It's the exact same thing that happened back in the 2000's when AMFA and NWA reached ILC pay rates with their new contract. Then the entire industry followed in their footsteps. Except this time the bumps in pay was all kick started by Delta first. Then each carrier bested each other as new agreements were attained.
Most of the mechs know how it all has unfolded. Your are the only one on here trying to credit the asso. for the huge increases in pay rates being offered by the co. as for the mechanics. BTW; AA's offer to give SWA rates was even before we voted it in, it was only a T/A and most companies never do that until it is voted in, this alone speaks volumes.

 

[Tim Nelson]

You are really not to smart: AA mx 7357 title 1, IAM maybe 3200
By your numbers 99% of mx outsourced.
First of all AA could not continue as an airline, AA will never be able to outsource that much work and compete with DL,SWA,UA.
Tim are really this obtuse.

I figured about 14,000 Title 1. If your numbers are accurate, then fair enuf...so lets use your numbers.
LUS itself has 1,000 more mx than southwest. Point being, as much as swamt worships amfa, any new association deal will STILL recognize more mx work than what he has.

 

[Tim Nelson]

I have given credit when and where it is deserved, and you know this. Delta was first to raise the rates this time around. Yes, a non-union shop gets the kudos for starting it all. Then AA promised Delta plus 7% for the mechanics. Then United came to new terms and Parker said on video Delta or United + 7%. Wasn't too long after that that Parker back pedaled down to D or U + 3% which was after other groups received the 4% bump, but the groups still nego contracts did not. He still held onto +3%. Then after a long pause in new agreements getting done, UPS comes along and gets theirs done with even a better target. Not too long after that SWA comes to new agreement, as well as Alaska. Each and every new agreement was helped by any and all the previous agreements. Still waiting for our fellow mechanics at AA to get their new contract.
To be very clear. NO your asso. does not deserve credit for the wages currently being offered. As already explained by other AA employees, the asso. was NOT asking nearly the same wages as SWA just attained in their new agreement. AND it was the co. nego side that offered to put the AA mechanics at SWA rates. This was not offered nor nego. or even suggested by the asso. to get SWA's new rates. Therefore credit (for the pay rates) cannot be given to the asso. as you are trying to do. It's the exact same thing that happened back in the 2000's when AMFA and NWA reached ILC pay rates with their new contract. Then the entire industry followed in their footsteps. Except this time the bumps in pay was all kick started by Delta first. Then each carrier bested each other as new agreements were attained.
Most of the mechs know how it all has unfolded. Your are the only one on here trying to credit the asso. for the huge increases in pay rates being offered by the co. as for the mechanics. BTW; AA's offer to give SWA rates was even before we voted it in, it was only a T/A and most companies never do that until it is voted in, this alone speaks volumes.

Just saying that the Association wont give credit to parker but will say it secured the raises. The truth is that our idiots didnt even ask for the raiss, as you noted.
But, for a mx living under the new proposal, he would have to credit the association. Card collectors will have difficult times.
Just like fleet, when the association signs this massive fleet improvement proposal, ill give full credit to the association, even though Delta started things off. Why wouldnt I?