AMR considers more ground time to cut delays-CEO

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Duh !

http://www.reuters.com/article/marketsNews...20070830?rpc=44

How can the company expect to turn an aircraft when the same crew offloads the plane then has to go upstairs to do the cabin and then come back and load it all in 30-45 minutes :down: .

 

[WingNaPrayer]

Duh !

http://www.reuters.com/article/marketsNews...20070830?rpc=44

How can the company expect to turn an aircraft when the same crew offloads the plane then has to go upstairs to do the cabin and then come back and load it all in 30-45 minutes :down: .

Hmmmmm - is this CEO-speak for 'depeaking is destroying our airline'? :unsure:

 

[aafsc]

If they would staff and allocate the workforce properly, quick turns would be no problem at all.

 

[WingNaPrayer]

If they would staff and allocate the workforce properly, quick turns would be no problem at all.

Do they have enough staff left for that?

 

[Barfbag]

Duh !

http://www.reuters.com/article/marketsNews...20070830?rpc=44

How can the company expect to turn an aircraft when the same crew offloads the plane then has to go upstairs to do the cabin and then come back and load it all in 30-45 minutes :down: .

Increase in workforce + New or Fixed Equiptment @JFK = better ground turn times.

 

[jimntx]

Increase in workforce + Fixed Equiptment everywhere = better ground turn times. (Edited by me.)

The other day, I worked a S80 that had just come from heavy maintenance (C-Check? I can never remember.) They also reconfigured the aft galley and added the 4 additional coach seats.

1. Document clip missing from F/C galley. (Only an inconvenience granted, but still annoying.)
2. The locking cover on the storage unit under the F/C ovens came loose in my hands when I tried to open the storage unit. Maintenance guy placarded the entire storage space (I'm double-catered; so, of course I want to lose storage space, you know.) He said the mechanism that keeps the locking cover from coming off in your hands was missing its springs. Why was it installed on the a/c that way?
3. With the reconfigured M/C galley, there is only one coffee maker in coach. It was INOP. (And, no it wasn't a case of turning off the wing heaters. We tried that. We'll leave alone the question as to why the wing heaters and the coach coffee maker are on the same circuit.)
4. A floor cover over an electrical thingy in coach had no screws holding it in place. The passenger who accidentally kicked it trying to get to his seat brought it to us apologetically thinking he had "broken" something.

And, those are just the things that we found in the first 30 minutes. We quit looking for other things. We didn't want to know.

 

[eolesen]

If they would staff and allocate the workforce properly, quick turns would be no problem at all.

If flight attendants cleaned turns, it would be even less of a problem.

I find it odd that a 300 mile DFW-DEN flight has to have FSC's come up to the cabin while the FA's (who don't change aircraft on the turn) just sit onboard and read Cosmo, yet a 800 mile thru trip is well within the bounds of the flight attendants to take care of even though they're doing a change at the hub. The old argument with the TWU and APFA was that it would cost FSC jobs in the spokes, but I don't think that's the case any longer.

Since AA abandoned meal services, got rid of pillows, reduced blanket provisioning, eliminated messy stuff like pretzels, etc., seems to me that a lot of the work on a CT is reduced (although I'm sure there's some tradeoff for the food customers now bring on).

Rumor had it that this was one of the things the company wanted in return for extended recall... Maybe if APFA approached the company with this as their sacrificial lamb, they'd agree to a side letter on recall. It's not like it costs FA's anything out of pocket or in terms of quality of life. 95% of the "work" can be done on final approach. Ask customers to pass their trash, leave it in the galley, and let the clerks concentrate on the lavs...

Oh, wait. That's exactly how WN and B6 do it. Wouldn't want to be as efficient as the guys who make more money...

 

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The other day, I worked a S80 that had just come from heavy maintenance (C-Check? I can never remember.) They also reconfigured the aft galley and added the 4 additional coach seats.

1. Document clip missing from F/C galley. (Only an inconvenience granted, but still annoying.)
2. The locking cover on the storage unit under the F/C ovens came loose in my hands when I tried to open the storage unit. Maintenance guy placarded the entire storage space (I'm double-catered; so, of course I want to lose storage space, you know.) He said the mechanism that keeps the locking cover from coming off in your hands was missing its springs. Why was it installed on the a/c that way?
3. With the reconfigured M/C galley, there is only one coffee maker in coach. It was INOP. (And, no it wasn't a case of turning off the wing heaters. We tried that. We'll leave alone the question as to why the wing heaters and the coach coffee maker are on the same circuit.)
4. A floor cover over an electrical thingy in coach had no screws holding it in place. The passenger who accidentally kicked it trying to get to his seat brought it to us apologetically thinking he had "broken" something.

And, those are just the things that we found in the first 30 minutes. We quit looking for other things. We didn't want to know.

Thats what you get for six years of concessions

Wait till the next twu negotiated concessionary contract in April 2008. You think things are bad now just wait...
😀

 

[jersey777]

I tell you what....when American Airlines returns us back to our pay rates before the concessions then the APFA might consider adding more work load in exchange for something else. Might I also remind you that cabin service is getting paid hourly when they clean planes while the flight attendant pay clock stops ticking when the aircraft door opens. We give enough free time during boarding and ground delays without adding cabin cleaning duties. And why not have the pilots come back and help in cleaning...or they are reading Cosmo too?

As for Southwest...give me their rates of pay...about $6 more an hour at max pay...and then we will talk. Better yet...why don't you get over your management mentality and come back and scrub the toilets yourself!

If flight attendants cleaned turns, it would be even less of a problem.

I find it odd that a 300 mile DFW-DEN flight has to have FSC's come up to the cabin while the FA's (who don't change aircraft on the turn) just sit onboard and read Cosmo, yet a 800 mile thru trip is well within the bounds of the flight attendants to take care of even though they're doing a change at the hub. The old argument with the TWU and APFA was that it would cost FSC jobs in the spokes, but I don't think that's the case any longer.

Since AA abandoned meal services, got rid of pillows, reduced blanket provisioning, eliminated messy stuff like pretzels, etc., seems to me that a lot of the work on a CT is reduced (although I'm sure there's some tradeoff for the food customers now bring on).

Rumor had it that this was one of the things the company wanted in return for extended recall... Maybe if APFA approached the company with this as their sacrificial lamb, they'd agree to a side letter on recall. It's not like it costs FA's anything out of pocket or in terms of quality of life. 95% of the "work" can be done on final approach. Ask customers to pass their trash, leave it in the galley, and let the clerks concentrate on the lavs...

Oh, wait. That's exactly how WN and B6 do it. Wouldn't want to be as efficient as the guys who make more money...

 

[eolesen]

Sorry, but when I'm paying $6700+ for a business class ticket between LAX and LHR, expecting me to wipe down the toilets is asking just a bit too much.