AMR stopping service to Oakland?
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They won't be able to serve DAL-OAK for another 6 years but I get the sentiment. It's a damn shame because OAK had a fantastic staff (hopefully they will be able to move to SJC, SFO) and the flights were always about 60-70% full allowing for easier upgrades and an actually enjoyable flying experience. Oakland was the best kept secret in Northern California in the AMR network.
Just as another note... I doubt too many people are going to be hoofing down to SJC to fly American. That airport has one of the lousiest terminals in the country (no bathrooms passed security for instance) and the traffic is an absolute nightmare. SFO is a nicer airport, but getting there over the Bay is just as much of a pain as getting down to SJC; at least there is a BART option(?).
For all of you geniuses at Centerport, you just made it significantly harder for all 4 million people in the East Bay (and in the valleys east) to fly American. WOOT; go give yourselves a cookie.
60-70% full and easy upgrades mean low yields. It is that plain and simple. If the folks on the East Bay were so loyal to AA, loads would be better and the front cabin would be filled with full fare paying pax, not upgraders and non-revs.
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I seriously question this latest move but cant say I am surprised.
The Bay Area is favorite for AMR when it comes to slashing and burning, abandoning and surrendering.
Always has been and always will be... in my opinion..
it is a shame..... :down:
The Bay Area is favorite for AMR when it comes to slashing and burning, abandoning and surrendering.
Always has been and always will be... in my opinion..
it is a shame..... :down:
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SJ Merc story:
http://www.mercurynews.com/breakingnews/ci_9164558
I didn't realize that AA had served OAK for so long. Didn't know it was down to just three flights a day either
http://www.mercurynews.com/breakingnews/ci_9164558
I didn't realize that AA had served OAK for so long. Didn't know it was down to just three flights a day either
.To question this decision is a little absurd. With fuel where it is, and the fact that AA is relatively weak in the bay area, it only makes sense to pull this 3 flight a day operation. Yes, it sucks fo rthe people who work there who had nothing to do with this unfortunate but necessary decision. UA has a hub in SFO and WN is big in the bay area as well. It's tough decisions like this that you should applaud, not because they are fun, but because they are the tough ones that nobody likes to make. There's some analyst in route planning who probably tried to make OAK look good and justify keeping while at the same time realizing that it was at the bottom of the barrel profit wise.
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WN does currently offer 1 stop service to Oakland from Dallas.
DFW schedule changes -- which take effect Sept. 3 -- include:
-- DFW to Austin and DFW to San Antonio will each go from 15 flights a day to 16
-- DFW to Boston (BOS) will go from 10 daily flights to nine.
-- DFW to Charlotte, N.C. (CLT), will go from six daily flights to five.
-- DFW to Reagan National Airport (DCA) will go from 12 daily flights to 11.
-- DFW to Denver (DEN) goes from 12 daily flights to 11.
-- DFW to Portland, Ore. (PDX) goes from five flights to four
-- DFW to San Jose, Calif. (SJC) goes from seven flights to six.
-- DFW to San Francisco, Calif., (SFO) goes from nine flights to eight.
--DFW to Tampa, Fla., (TPA) goes from eight flights to seven.
In addition, American's seasonal service between Chicago and Rome, Italy, will end Oct. 26. The carrier expects to resume flying the route in April
Per Dallas Morning News
http://aviationblog.dallasnews.com/archive...s-schedule.html
DFW schedule changes -- which take effect Sept. 3 -- include:
-- DFW to Austin and DFW to San Antonio will each go from 15 flights a day to 16
-- DFW to Boston (BOS) will go from 10 daily flights to nine.
-- DFW to Charlotte, N.C. (CLT), will go from six daily flights to five.
-- DFW to Reagan National Airport (DCA) will go from 12 daily flights to 11.
-- DFW to Denver (DEN) goes from 12 daily flights to 11.
-- DFW to Portland, Ore. (PDX) goes from five flights to four
-- DFW to San Jose, Calif. (SJC) goes from seven flights to six.
-- DFW to San Francisco, Calif., (SFO) goes from nine flights to eight.
--DFW to Tampa, Fla., (TPA) goes from eight flights to seven.
In addition, American's seasonal service between Chicago and Rome, Italy, will end Oct. 26. The carrier expects to resume flying the route in April
Per Dallas Morning News
http://aviationblog.dallasnews.com/archive...s-schedule.html
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As I said when the management hiring freeze came out last month, station closings would not be far behind. They just moved the ONT GM up to SEA, so my money is on that being one of the next closings announced. SLC and RNO are others I'd think twice about right now.
AMFAMan, read the fine print. The ASM cap only applies to routes served by mainline after 1993. If AA pulls out of CLT, there's nothing preventing Eagle from moving in with CLT-RDU or CLT-ATL or CLT-MIA.... that type of flying is exempt from the ASM cap.
I haven't heard much on that front, but Eagle's got some older RJ's that are probably ready for retirement. They'd probably like to retire some of the 37 seaters as well...
AMFAMan, read the fine print. The ASM cap only applies to routes served by mainline after 1993. If AA pulls out of CLT, there's nothing preventing Eagle from moving in with CLT-RDU or CLT-ATL or CLT-MIA.... that type of flying is exempt from the ASM cap.
I haven't heard much on that front, but Eagle's got some older RJ's that are probably ready for retirement. They'd probably like to retire some of the 37 seaters as well...
I doubt SLC since they would basically be handing over everyone within a 300 mile radius to the competition. ONT (with SNA and LAX) and RNO (LAS and LAX) could close and it wouldn't surprise me in the least. Both are small regional airports that have never really had a history or legacy of significant civilian traffic. I still think closing OAK is a mistake though. Your losing half of one of the largest metropolitan areas in the country.
ONT has 5 daily non-stop flights each to ORD and DFW. Obviously, the Inland Empire area, with its nearly 4.1 million inhabitants, generates more traffic for AA than the East Bay does with only three daily departures from OAK. OAK is considerably closer to SFO than ONT is to LAX or SNA.
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I think SLC is a little over-rated... IIRC, the metro area is just over 1M people, which is the same size as CMH or TUS. Take the LDS Church related traffic out of the picture, and there's not exactly a compelling argument for them having as much air service as they have.
