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Another fine example of Corporate GREED

And the poor get poorer.

GM and Delphi's downfall was caused by Ex-CEO Roger Smith's scams and book cooking in the eighties. Ross Perot saw what was going on at GM under Smith's reign,and Smith ran Perot out of town when Perot started to question GM's management practices.
 
None of this is on the level. For political reasons they have kept factories open here. What I find amusing is the buy American crap with GM. They are allready American in name only. How many plants in Mexico or China are closing? They saw what the airlines could pull off and they are salivating, not only can you offshore work you can dump "legacy costs" on the taxpayers. And the taxpayers they mean aren't in the ceo's tax bracket.
 
This is the Ghost of Contracts Past coming to haunt them.

GM's management has been quite self serving over the years, but you have to hold the UAW responsible to some extent as well -- over the years, they did their share of choking the golden goose to get all the eggs.

G.M. has 2.5 retirees for every active employer, mainly because they let people retire with full benefits as early as 48, assuming they have 30 years with the company. That means that some, including two of my wife's uncles, have been retired from GM longer than they actually worked there.

You can blame management all you want for agreeing to those terms, but it was the UAW who requested them.
 
This is the Ghost of Contracts Past coming to haunt them.

GM's management has been quite self serving over the years, but you have to hold the UAW responsible to some extent as well -- over the years, they did their share of choking the golden goose to get all the eggs.

G.M. has 2.5 retirees for every active employer, mainly because they let people retire with full benefits as early as 48, assuming they have 30 years with the company. That means that some, including two of my wife's uncles, have been retired from GM longer than they actually worked there.

You can blame management all you want for agreeing to those terms, but it was the UAW who requested them.



Shuuuuuuuuush You can't say stuff like that around here. We all know that ALL the problems of the world are the doing of evil management and that employees are just the victims. Employees would never ever be greedy or try and bilk the companies that they work for. They come to work, do their 8 hours of top notch, hard work and then go home. To do other wise would be dishonest.

TSK TSK TSK. I am really surprised at your comments. You should be ashamed.
 
This is the Ghost of Contracts Past coming to haunt them.

GM's management has been quite self serving over the years, but you have to hold the UAW responsible to some extent as well -- over the years, they did their share of choking the golden goose to get all the eggs.

G.M. has 2.5 retirees for every active employer, mainly because they let people retire with full benefits as early as 48, assuming they have 30 years with the company. That means that some, including two of my wife's uncles, have been retired from GM longer than they actually worked there.

You can blame management all you want for agreeing to those terms, but it was the UAW who requested them.

It works both ways
I would love to see some of the golden parachutes for the GM execs.
I am sure they would make any union employees retirement pale in comparison.
We follow by example 😉
 
Shhhhh, TFC, your gonna hurt managements feelings. They don't line their pockets when the companies they run into the ground are in bankruptcy. The court cases of Enron, Healthsouth, Worldcom executives are fictitious, they never really happened. Just like the AA SERP program, Carty didn't mean to lie, he just got caught that's all. Damn unions.

There isn't millions of people who work a full time job, but can't afford food or shelter. That's all lies perpetrated by the unions to bleed the companies dry. Wal-Mart didn't issue a memo that stated management needed to dispose of older workers because of health problems, jeez, how can Wal-Mart afford to pay heathcare?

Yeah, that's it.... 🙄 🙄
 
This is the Ghost of Contracts Past coming to haunt them.

GM's management has been quite self serving over the years, but you have to hold the UAW responsible to some extent as well -- over the years, they did their share of choking the golden goose to get all the eggs.

G.M. has 2.5 retirees for every active employer, mainly because they let people retire with full benefits as early as 48, assuming they have 30 years with the company. That means that some, including two of my wife's uncles, have been retired from GM longer than they actually worked there.

You can blame management all you want for agreeing to those terms, but it was the UAW who requested them.

Oh yeah, workers should have to work until they are 80 years old, so that the greedy corporate executives can mis-mange and destroy a company, and then escape with a golden parachute.

It is completely unfair that an employee who slaves 30 years of his life gets to retire at age 48. How dare the union or the working man have such a benefit.

I BLAME MANAGEMENT AND NOBODY ELSE FOR THIS MESS!!!!
 
Oh yeah, workers should have to work until they are 80 years old, so that the greedy corporate executives can mis-mange and destroy a company, and then escape with a golden parachute.

It is completely unfair that an employee who slaves 30 years of his life gets to retire at age 48. How dare the union or the working man have such a benefit.

I BLAME MANAGEMENT AND NOBODY ELSE FOR THIS MESS!!!!
<_< In your mind,that may be true! But it's O.K. for exTWAers! We have one still working here in his 70's!!!!Hey! take a good look! You may be looking in a mirror!! :shock:
 
This is the Ghost of Contracts Past coming to haunt them.

GM's management has been quite self serving over the years, but you have to hold the UAW responsible to some extent as well -- over the years, they did their share of choking the golden goose to get all the eggs.

G.M. has 2.5 retirees for every active employer, mainly because they let people retire with full benefits as early as 48, assuming they have 30 years with the company. That means that some, including two of my wife's uncles, have been retired from GM longer than they actually worked there.

You can blame management all you want for agreeing to those terms, but it was the UAW who requested them.

And if your going to use union retirees as a problem, you must also look at management abuse. In fact we have a few executives at AA who double or triple dip on pension time accrual, is that okay? Or as Oneflyer used to say...it's just good negotiating on their part? 😉
 
In fact we have a few executives at AA who double or triple dip on pension time accrual.


Carty. Wonder how many others there are. It's kept pretty quiet.

It's like the pigs in Animal Farm saying, we're all equal, but some of us are more equal than others.

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Carty. Wonder how many others there are. It's kept pretty quiet.

It's like the pigs in Animal Farm saying, we're all equal, but some of us are more equal than others.

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Here's one, I've seen others in the past.

As of December 31, 2004, the named executive officers had the following credited years of service (which includes any additional credited years of service awarded): Mr. Arpey—21.3; Mr. Garton—17.4; Mr. Beer—12.3; Mr. Kennedy 19.5; and Mr. Reding—7.8. Mr. Reding has an agreement with American whereby he receives an additional credited year of service for each year of actual service, up to a maximum of ten additional years of credited service. Mr. Reding had 3.9 years of additional credited service as of December 31, 2004.
 
Since it's always management's fault when there are losses, then by association, it is management's fault when there are profits, thus to the victor go the spoils, right?

And yes, that comment is unbridled sarcasm, since it's foolish to believe you can blame management or labor individually for the situation a company finds itself in. In the case of GM, it was a mutually assured destruction that took many years to occur.

Other companies seemed to realize the error of the Big Three earlier on, and took steps to prevent it from occurring. Most notably amongst the auto industry are the US workers at Toyota, Honda, Mitsubishi, Nissan, etc. who entered the industry on the heels of GM's massive plant closings and layoffs in the 1980's.

You could easily draw parallels between the second generation auto manufacturers with the second and third generation air carriers (i.e. who were founded from 1970 onward). And, as Bob Owens and others love to point out about WN, they're not under-compensated despite managing to avoid the Ghosts of Contracts Past.

Carty. Wonder how many others there are. It's kept pretty quiet.

Actually, it's not kept quiet at all. It's included as part of the SEC filings if you bother to dig into the detail.

If AMR were privately held, as TWA was during the early Icahn years, then you'd have no way of knowing all the secret handshake type deals that are made with various execs, so beware the next time you hear someone discussing the benefits of taking the company private.

Personally, I don't really care what any one executive has negotiated, because it's a fact that if their peers in other industries are able to ask for a certain level of compensation, it's probably appropriate that they be able to get to a midpoint of parity either in salary dollars, benefits, retirement funds, or a combination of all three. It may seem unfair, but there's always going to be a double standard when you're one of a couple hundred people capable of holding a particular position vs. one of tens of thousands.
 

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