Anti-kerry Film Sparks Dnc Response
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What Moore does is takes obscur little articles and then even distorts them to fit his agenda. He points out that some of the folks on the voter rolls in FLA were convicts from Texas. Are we to believe that they would have voted for Bush? GMAFB. Did he mention the estimated 50,000 geriatrich liberal Yankees who were registered in FL and in their homestates of NY, and NJ? But since you defend the truth of the movie, wouldn't you want to watch another "true" movie that wil give you more valuable information?
http://www.stolenhonor.com/documentary/meet-pows.asp
Are you suggesting that these men are liars? Wouldn't you want to be shown the perspective of REAL US hero's like:
http://www.military.com/NewContent/0,13190...rge_Day,00.html
instead of the media created false kind like Kerry? what are you afraid of? The left opened this bottle. Quite frankly, with ABC encouraging it's reporters to be biased toward Kerry, and CBS running it's own FALSE documentary on Bush's guard service, I don't see a problem with one produced by some of the US's greatest heros.
http://www.stolenhonor.com/documentary/meet-pows.asp
Are you suggesting that these men are liars? Wouldn't you want to be shown the perspective of REAL US hero's like:
http://www.military.com/NewContent/0,13190...rge_Day,00.html
instead of the media created false kind like Kerry? what are you afraid of? The left opened this bottle. Quite frankly, with ABC encouraging it's reporters to be biased toward Kerry, and CBS running it's own FALSE documentary on Bush's guard service, I don't see a problem with one produced by some of the US's greatest heros.
Seems to be a lot of that going around on Bush ads.Busdrvr said:
Maybe taking things out of context and distorting the truth is ok for some people, but I think it is the same thing as lying.
PBS had the Kerry speech on when he was cautioning the USA about going to war without making sure we tried all options. He also voted for the war if they were met.
The ironic thing here is the moral majority is voting for a morally bankrupt party.
Go figure.
Kind of like Karl Rove's anti-Kerry campaign.
Convicted of MISDEMEANORS at that! Not even in Texas does jaywalking cause one to lose the right to vote, but in Florida it did.
That's kind of the point of excluding them, isn't it?
Estimated by whom?
Wrong. What I have 'defended' here is the fact that Michael Moore's movie has stood for itself and that he has done a good job documenting the facts he used while those who purport to 'debunk' it have not met the same standard. He doesn't need me to defend the truth of his movie.
Unlike most of those who condemn Moore's movie without even seeing it, I am more than willing to watch 'another "true" movie' as long as the 'truth' contained therein stands up to scrutiny.
Exactly where did this come from?
As a veteran of combat in Vietnam, I had seen enough REAL US heroes by age 20 to last me a lifetime.
http://www.thewall-usa.com/index.html
"False"? Not according to the US Navy. Or John McCain, a decorated American hero, former POW and REAL Republican.
Again, where did this come from? You're making some fairly 'liberal' assumptions here.
After the right taught them how a negative campaign works. Remember Willie Horton?
Nor do I, although you would apparently prefer it if I did, judging by the tone of your post. As for biased media (FOX NEWS) and false documentaries (Swift Boat Veterans for Bush), I don't think anyone gets to claim the high ground there.
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http://business.bostonherald.com/businessN...articleid=48778
So much for Freedom of Speech. The Dems modified version doesn't include the right to crtiticize their Presidential candidate. Just like when they lashed out at the swiftboat vets group. Funny that the lefties always look at the Bushies like they're storm troopers. Perhaps they should look in the mirror to see where the true deprivers of our liberty are to be found.
http://business.bostonherald.com/businessN...articleid=48778
So much for Freedom of Speech. The Dems modified version doesn't include the right to crtiticize their Presidential candidate. Just like when they lashed out at the swiftboat vets group. Funny that the lefties always look at the Bushies like they're storm troopers. Perhaps they should look in the mirror to see where the true deprivers of our liberty are to be found.
The only credibility Michael Moore has left is with the people that are too stubborn to accept that he twists and turns everything to meet his own needs. Even Kerry won't go near that guy. Anyone that still thinks that Farenheit 9/11 is factually acurate is so sadly misinformed, and it's scary to think of the amount of people who take that movie as gospel. Michael Moore and his films are a rare ugly side to our freedom of speech, simply because his lies are taken for truth, and the results of that could have serious consequences to us because some people just don't know any better.
FredF said:
Whatever do you mean, Fred? Do you doubt my serious concern for your safety based on your earlier statement?
Personally, I'd really rather that we spend this time talking about the questions I asked you earlier on a different thread. You made some claims regarding the government responsibility to its citizens that are at the core of the difference between the two parties and I asked you what you would have us do different. Relatively simple questions, yet rather than respond, you simply ignore them and change the subject, then get upset when someone contradicts you yet again. When you have had questions, you have demanded answers from us, and we have attempted to provide them, why the double standard?
I know that you don't like being contradicted and criticized, but that's what free speech is all about and one of the things that makes our country great. Given that fact one must wonder why you seem to seek out situations where being contradicted and criticized are likely. Perhaps it's time for YOU to 'get over' YOURSELF, Fred, the problem ain't me.
USAir757 said:
My invitation remains open; show us the data to back up that claim and I'll be happy to read it.
Considering how often Michael Moore has taken Kerry to task, that's not surprising. How many members of the "Swift Boat" group have been equally honest with the candidate they're supporting?
Pretend I'm from Missouri, Show Me.
I find Michael Moore personally repugnant and his tactic of showing up in the lobby of some company and making the security guards look like idiots has grown quite old, however just because I don't like him or because you don't agree with him that doesn't make the conclusions he draws in his movies 'lies'. After seeing Fahrenheit 911, I tried to disprove several points where I felt he was wrong or overstating his case, yet his arguments stood up to the factual test, and the claims of his detractors, including myself, haven't.
As much as I respect your opinion, I have to point out that your post consists of four anti-Moore statements with no evidence offered to back up the claims you made. I stand by my earlier statement:
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TWAnr said:
Well you hit a new level of sleeze. That you could call 18 POW's, Two of whom EARNED the MEDAL OF HONOR and one who is the most highly decorated US soldier since McArthur Liars says a lot about you and the character of the LEFT. Bush won't force UAL to liquidate, little trolls willing to do the job for half the wage, whose companies were started in the 90's while "labor's pals" where pulling the strings, are the folks driving down revenue.
Honestly, no. And it's because it claims to be a documentary... but documentaries by definition are supposed to be made without bias and commentary. This is obviously not that kind of movie.
Did you read the link earlier in this thread (59 Deceits in Farenheit 9/11)? Just incase you didn't, here it is in pdf format Inaccuracies of Farenheit 9/11
I suppose, if you'll allow me to rephrase, that Farenheit 9/11 is more of a stretch of the truth, and not necessarily false information. But you talk all the time about selecting certain information that only helps your case and doesn't hurt it.... well that is exactly what he did when he made this film. And that's why I wouldn't spend a dime to see it.
