Anti-kerry Film Sparks Dnc Response

[USAir757]

what would happen if there were some loud noises made in Korea? Iran? What do we do? We don't have the manpower to send troops over there...we've alienated the countries whose help we would need...not the countries in the "coalition of the willing", but the bigger, more powerful countries.

What would happen? I would hope that the "loud noises" would be loud enough this time to wake the French from their le afternoon nap and start defending this world from global terror. If the noises are loud enough for us to go in, I don't think there will be much selling to do to get other country's military support.

You can't see that our "war plan" in Iraq was flawed from the get-go, but it was, and because of that the United States is MORE VULNERABLE to an attack from countries that had always posed a greater threat to us than Iraq. Bush, Cheney and Rummy went into this war figuring we'd be in and out in 30 days.

So funny you say that. They said to the UN before the war that the process would take "2 years or more" to complete. And, once again, you're benefiting from hindsight... a thing that the democrats are really enjoying right now. You say you never supported the war, not even when the CIA told you that there were WMDs there, and that there would be serious consequences if we didn't take care of the threat before it took care of us. Of course, I have to take what you say at face value, because so many people like you are NOW saying "Oh I thought this war was bad at the beginning. We should have never gone into Iraq." But most of you all made up your mind long after the fact. And you're all talking about going into N Korea and Iran so Kerry can get elected... that guy wouldn't be caught dead waging a war.... the irony is so thick I can't see you guys anymore.

 

[KCFlyer]

I'll tell you what, take every person F@T@ss took out of context, allow them to add the full text of the "snipets" F@T@ss put in his movie so that they can be taken in CONTEXT, THEN I'll agree that the movie has a place. Keep in mind the stolen honor documentary is produced by the folks in the movie to tell you the unaltered truth about how they feel and how John Kerry sold out his country.

[post="191704"][/post]​

Bussie....you miss the point...Moore made a MOVIE...people had to go to a theatre and pay to view it. Or they had to drive to Blockbuster and pay to rent it. The Sinclair Broadcasting Company owns network affiliates, where they plan on airing htis program for free...Sure, I can always choose not to watch it, then again, if I'm at home and channel surfing, I can always stumble accross it. So it's there. Unless you make it a habit of buying one movie ticket and "theatre surfing", your odds of seeing leftist "propoganda" (and face it Bus...GOP "facts" are as much propoganda as left "facts) are quite limited. So unless Sinclair would be happy to have Micheal Moore edit down Farenheit 911 to the same time allotment that the anti Kerry television program runs...and then allow them to run it...then no problem. But "equal time" pretty much means that the opposition is granted just that...equal time.

 

[NWA/AMT]

Keep in mind the stolen honor documentary is produced by the folks in the movie to tell you the unaltered truth about how they feel and how John Kerry sold out his country.

[post="191704"][/post]​

The term 'unaltered truth' gets thrown around a lot these days. Opinion is not 'unaltered truth'.

As for John Kerry 'selling out' his country, I don't buy it. He went to Vietnam and earned the right to say what he thought about it, unlike the college students who were saying, and doing, much worse things at the time. Not liking what he had to say doesn't make it treason, it's just a part of free speech that sometimes people are going to say things you don't like or agree with. Having read his comments, and having been there myself, I'd say they weren't all wrong either.

 

[NWA/AMT]

Of course, I have to take what you say at face value, because so many people like you are NOW saying "Oh I thought this war was bad at the beginning. We should have never gone into Iraq." But most of you all made up your mind long after the fact.

[post="191713"][/post]​

Really? On what evidence do you base this statement? Would you like a copy of the letter I wrote to my elected representatives in October 2002 opposing the Bush administration's obvious plans for war and pointing out many of the same points regarding the reality of making Iraq a democracy that I've recently pointed out to you?

And you're all talking about going into N Korea and Iran so Kerry can get elected... that guy wouldn't be caught dead waging a war.... the irony is so thick I can't see you guys anymore.

And your vitriol is so thick we can't hear you anymore.

 

[USAir757]

Really? On what evidence do you base this statement? Would you like a copy of the letter I wrote to my elected representatives in October 2002 opposing the Bush administration's obvious plans for war and pointing out many of the same points regarding the reality of making Iraq a democracy that I've recently pointed out to you?

I base my statement on purely what I remember around the time we were petitioning the UN for a offensive in Iraq. Granted, just one person's opinion, that's what I'm offering.

But what you say: face value again. To me, in terms of validity, your letter to congress is just about as good as John Kerry and Dan Rather's war document fiasco.

 

[KCFlyer]

What would happen? I would hope that the "loud noises" would be loud enough this time to wake the French from their le afternoon nap and start defending this world from global terror. If the noises are loud enough for us to go in, I don't think there will be much selling to do to get other country's military support.

Don't stop with the French...the Germans and the Russians didn't agree either. And you'd better hope that they can reenlist the support of the Poles and Spaniards. And even then, if the "loud noises" are towards the USA only, why whould they feel it necessary to offer their help? After all, Bush pretty much said that the UN is irrelevant.

So funny you say that. They said to the UN before the war that the process would take "2 years or more" to complete. And, once again, you're benefiting from hindsight... a thing that the democrats are really enjoying right now...But most of you all made up your mind long after the fact.

On the airliners.net board, I post as "goingboeing". Here's a few posts from BEFORE the war started that I made:

Posted Thu Mar 13 2003 13:37:11 UTC+1 and read 185 times.

N202PA - I actually used to like Bush. But I still fail to see the threat that Iraq poses to the USA. WMD? Heck, the terrorists could have bought all they wanted from an out of work Russian scientist. Iraq is a threat to the other middle eastern countries? Great. Let them ASK us...ON THE WORLD STAGE...that they want us over there. Israel has ignored a few UN resolutions...should we bomb them as well?

Here is the whole thread in case you might think that I doctored the date.

This was before Kerry AND before the ground war in Iraq. I am just a consistent in my view as Bush is in his.

 

[USAir757]

Don't stop with the French...the Germans and the Russians didn't agree either. And you'd better hope that they can reenlist the support of the Poles and Spaniards. And even then, if the "loud noises" are towards the USA only, why whould they feel it necessary to offer their help?

Well with Kerry saying this is the wrong war, wrong place, wrong time, you're absolutely right. That's a sales pitch to help us out for sure!

Here is the whole thread in case you might think that I doctored the date.

This was before Kerry AND before the ground war in Iraq. I am just a consistent in my view as Bush is in his.

Congratulations... I've said before you should have been in the CIA or something because you knew everything even in the latest reports before anybody else did. Maybe you can work for Miss Cleo?

The Sinclair Broadcasting Company owns network affiliates, where they plan on airing htis program for free...

And they have every right to. Just as Michael Moore did to make his movie. No laws broken, who cares if one has to pay to see it or see it for free on TV? What's the difference?

 

[KCFlyer]

And they have every right to. Just as Michael Moore did to make his movie. No laws broken, who cares if one has to pay to see it or see it for free on TV? What's the difference?

[post="191748"][/post]​

Ever hear of "equal time". Here is a little background on it Moore made a movie...Sinclair owns broadcast stations. Key word "broadcast".

 

[USAir757]

Ever hear of "equal time". Here is a little background on it Moore made a movie...Sinclair owns broadcast stations. Key word "broadcast".

Interesting... I never knew that. I guess in order to be legal (and to satisfy the democrat political world), it will have to air on cable. What will the argument be then?

 

[NWA/AMT]

I base my statement on purely what I remember around the time we were petitioning the UN for a offensive in Iraq. Granted, just one person's opinion, that's what I'm offering.

But what you say: face value again. To me, in terms of validity, your letter to congress is just about as good as John Kerry and Dan Rather's war document fiasco.

[post="191733"][/post]​

So because I neglected to copy you in on my communications with my elected officials at the time or register my objections with you in advance, (How thoughtless of me), you feel free to assume that my opposition to the Iraq sideshow is a recent phenomenon or, even worse, fraudulent? Interesting...

I guess in order to be legal (and to satisfy the democrat political world), it will have to air on cable.

[post="191779"][/post]​

Yeah, but wasn't it the Republicans who were recently opposing Michael Moore's plan to air his movie on cable?

What will the argument be then?

None at all, I wouldn't object to the airing of the 90 minute Republican attack ad on broadcast TV if Sinclair offered to provide Kerry equal time. You think they'd be willing to show Fahrenheit 911 and FahrenHype 911 too?

 

[KCFlyer]

Well with Kerry saying this is the wrong war, wrong place, wrong time, you're absolutely right. That's a sales pitch to help us out for sure!

[post="191748"][/post]​

Not really. I think Bush could have enlisted some help a few weeks ago had he just said "I was wrong". And I think those countries that Bush dismissed (and continues to bash in his campaign) wouldn't be willing to help out the US if Bush came to the UN and said that Korea was a threat. However, with someone ELSE asking making the case for joining forces to keep Korea in check, they might have a far better chance of enlisting support. And some chance is better than no chance.

 

[NWA/AMT]

I am just a consistent in my view as Bush is in his.

[post="191737"][/post]​

I guess being resolute is only a good thing when they agree with you, huh? 😉

 

[NWA/AMT]

And I think those countries that Bush dismissed (and continues to bash in his campaign) wouldn't be willing to help out the US if Bush came to the UN and said that Korea was a threat.

[post="191837"][/post]​

Considering how the claims his administration made to the imminent threat Saddam posed to the world have turned out, it seems unlikely. Something about crying "Wolf", probably.

 

[EyeInTheSky]

Bush will go down in history as one of the worst Presidents ever. He got to the Oval Office the good old fashioned American way...connections. How can a guy who got a 2.32 grade average at Yale get so far? C'mon. Our Presidents need to be exceptional; and let's face it, Bush junior is far from exceptional.

 

[local 12 proud]

im none too pleased with the direction this country is headed, i have reservation's about iraq, i also feel we are in a precarious sitiuation with our allies but john kerry is not "exceptional" and regardless who wins the oval office we as a nation are going to be hated for the simple fact we exist as a super power. 9/11 did not happen because of "W" the islamic fanatics tried to bring down the world trade center in '93' they hate us and everything we stand for. they call this a jihad or holy war and will stop at nothing to kill every non-muslim, we are fighting an enemy who thinks martyrdom is a one way ticket to heaven. we better be ready to defend this nation at all cost because they are determined to destroy us at all cost.