Ata Acquisition/merger A Diversion?

[EricLv2Fish]

Some mentioned at work today that AWA's attempt to acquire/merge with ATA was probably a diversion to the AWA merger with US Airways. If it was a diversion it worked beautifully. Southwest blocked AWA from acquiring/merging with ATA by buying some gates in Chicago, but by doing so it allowed AWA to pursue it's real goal (without Southwest interference) of merging with US Airways and becoming the truly first National/International Low Cost Carrier. After the annoucement in May that AWA and US Airways were to plan a merger and seeing the complexity of the deal it was clear no way another airline had time to come up with a better or even as good a deal. Southwest would have loved to see our merger fall thru, but may have had no means to block it. Is Doug and team really that slick? It's nice to think it's true!

 

[Heinrich]

It's a shame that everything has to be tied back to Southwest. It's like anything that happens in the tech industry is tied back to what Bill Gates had for dinner last Thursday.

Southwest is NOT the end all to the aviation industry and Microsoft is NOT the end all to the tech industry and WalMart is NOT the end all to retailing.

I only hope that I live to see the day when all 3 are liquidated, quite frankly, but this is probably a pipe dream and secret fantasy on my part considering that it would require the shopping public to become more educated and not to just think on superficial motivations.

 

[ClueByFour]

Some mentioned at work today that AWA's attempt to acquire/merge with ATA was probably a diversion to the AWA merger with US Airways. If it was a diversion it worked beautifully. Southwest blocked AWA from acquiring/merging with ATA by buying some gates in Chicago, but by doing so it allowed AWA to pursue it's real goal (without Southwest interference) of merging with US Airways and becoming the truly first National/International Low Cost Carrier. After the annoucement in May that AWA and US Airways were to plan a merger and seeing the complexity of the deal it was clear no way another airline had time to come up with a better or even as good a deal. Southwest would have loved to see our merger fall thru, but may have had no means to block it. Is Doug and team really that slick? It's nice to think it's true!

[post="293060"][/post]​

Huh?

What part of US would LUV have wanted? Moreover, what more could LUV have done? They arguably put US into BK the second time by going into PHL.

Plus, it's not as if US was beating other suitors away from the door.

 

[PHX-F/A]

Southwest is NOT the end all to the aviation industry and Microsoft is NOT the end all to the tech industry and WalMart is NOT the end all to retailing.

[post="293078"][/post]​

no but they are all the slow decline of the retail standards we once knew.

 

[StewGuy86]

.....and WalMart is NOT the end all to retailing.

[post="293078"][/post]​

No, but Americans eat that crap up like it's the last meal they'll ever get.

 

[A330US]

now i dont want walmart and microsoft to liquidate, but i want one company to die, and that is, you guys guessed it

SOUTHWEST
the most horable airline out there, i cantwait till something happens to them , like ata has huge loans to pay off, they shift it to WN, and WN liquidates, lol
i hope that happens !

 

[barbeetantrums]

now i dont want walmart and microsoft to liquidate, but i want one company to die, and that is, you guys guessed it

SOUTHWEST
the most horable airline out there, i cantwait till something happens to them , like ata has huge loans to pay off, they shift it to WN, and WN liquidates, lol
i hope that happens !

[post="293109"][/post]​

Michael Jackson Syndrome.

 

[luvn737s]

Huh?

What part of US would LUV have wanted? Moreover, what more could LUV have done? They arguably put US into BK the second time by going into PHL.

Plus, it's not as if US was beating other suitors away from the door.

[post="293079"][/post]​

LUV probably wouldn't know what to do with U's assets, since LUV suffers from an intense lack of imagination with it's growth plan. All it can do is all it's ever done, which I'll grant they've done profitably. But they have allowed the FL's and B6's of the world to thrive, at the peril of LUV. There's still some wounded and weak in the herd for LUV to eviscerate, but I would be willing to bet it won't be feasting on the NewU.

As for suitors, who else in the industry could have put together the no-money down merger that HP did? And the NewU will be a LCC with deep domestic and a relatively broad international reach. What other LCC can you buy a ticket from Vienna to Honolulu? Or, for that matter Erie to Honolulu?

When LUV orders a 787, then the story changes.

 

[usair_begins_with_u]

who else in the industry could have put together the no-money down merger that HP did?

Ever hear the old saying you get what you pay for???

 

[nycbusdriver]

They [SWA] arguably put US into BK the second time by going into PHL.

[post="293079"][/post]​

Huh?

The second bankruptcy was preordained and predicted in April, 2003 within days of emerging from the first bankruptcy (LGA ALPA Rep Ray Belz said it at the local LEC meeting on/about April, 2003...paraphrase: "I don't see how we can escape another bankruptcy in the near term.") The reason? The IAM had not caved on the BIG items which were still an absolute necessity to get labor costs down to below every other airline. The pilots had demonstrated that they would roll over at evey demand of the company, but much of what the IAM had was still intact.

SWA going into PHL had NOTHING to do with the second bankruptcy. It was strictly a move to get the rest of labor to cave in, and/or break the unions altogether.

 

[700UW]

now i dont want walmart and microsoft to liquidate, but i want one company to die, and that is, you guys guessed it

SOUTHWEST
the most horable airline out there, i cantwait till something happens to them , like ata has huge loans to pay off, they shift it to WN, and WN liquidates, lol
i hope that happens !

[post="293109"][/post]​

So you want a company that has been profitable for over 30 years who employees thousands of employees and pays the highest wages in the airline industry to die?

That is foolish and ignorant.

 

[700UW]

Huh?

The second bankruptcy was preordained and predicted in April, 2003 within days of emerging from the first bankruptcy (LGA ALPA Rep Ray Belz said it at the local LEC meeting on/about April, 2003...paraphrase: "I don't see how we can escape another bankruptcy in the near term.") The reason? The IAM had not caved on the BIG items which were still an absolute necessity to get labor costs down to below every other airline. The pilots had demonstrated that they would roll over at evey demand of the company, but much of what the IAM had was still intact.

[post="293158"][/post]​

You have got to be kidding me?

The IAM, AFA, CWA and TWU all did not have new deals and ALPA was still negotiating.

The bankruptcy was not due to the IAM, heck the total cost savings from the IAM Mechanic and Related was around $300 million, that is a drop in the bucket compared to what US needed.

It was the failure of Dave Siegel and the POR that caused US to file again.

Don't let the facts get in your way.

 

[EricLv2Fish]

"SWA going into PHL had NOTHING to do with the second bankruptcy. It was strictly a move to get the rest of labor to cave in, and/or break the unions altogether."

Bringing labor costs down was a critical component of the merger. Perhaps the second brankruptcy was intended to prepare for the merger with AWA. Without it the merger would have never happened and US Airways sadly may have disappeared for good.

 

[WNjetdoc]

Did a search and saw that you have made several posts bringing up your mommy and daddy. My mommy this and my daddy that, are you sure you're old enough to be on this bb all by yourself? lol.

Your post shows how immature you are, either in age or emotionally. In other words, grow up.

now i dont want walmart and microsoft to liquidate, but i want one company to die, and that is, you guys guessed it

SOUTHWEST
the most horable airline out there, i cantwait till something happens to them , like ata has huge loans to pay off, they shift it to WN, and WN liquidates, lol
i hope that happens !

[post="293109"][/post]​

 

[nycbusdriver]

You have got to be kidding me?

The IAM, AFA, CWA and TWU all did not have new deals and ALPA was still negotiating.

The bankruptcy was not due to the IAM, heck the total cost savings from the IAM Mechanic and Related was around $300 million, that is a drop in the bucket compared to what US needed.

It was the failure of Dave Siegel and the POR that caused US to file again.

Don't let the facts get in your way.

[post="293161"][/post]​

I kid you NOT!

As long as the mechanics were still doing tug duty and cleaners were still making 50K+ per year, there was NO WAY that USAirways could compete in the marketplace. I certainly blame Siegel for the error. For some crazy reason he was hell-bent on getting out of bankruptcy in record time and didn't bother to finish the inevitable pounding of labor that is so easily done in bankruptcy.

Those are the facts. They are NOT in my way. They just ARE.