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And there is a good likely hood it was originally a pagan celebration. The irony of it all.
 
Ms Tree said:
And there is a good likely hood it was originally a pagan celebration. The irony of it all.
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A certainty, actually...


Here's just one of several festivals the christians appropriated for their jesus day...

http://penelope.uchicago.edu/~grout/encyclopaedia_romana/calendar/saturnalia.html

From this we get the tradition of gift giving over the winter holiday.

From the eastern european Koleda we get the tradition of strolling around neighborhoods caroling...

Christmas itself is actually so nonchristian on nature that puritan led England banned the celebration entirely, as they were incapable of de-secularizing it and/or removing the pagan aspects of the holiday. The same occurred in the colonies at around the same time. They considered it wasteful and immoral.

I think therefore, it's pretty amazing how hard the christian rightists are fighting to re-popularize x-mas, given that there is virtually nothing of their actual religious beliefs associated with the holidays.
 
DarkSnowyNight said:
A certainty, actually...


Here's just one of several festivals the christians appropriated for their jesus day...

http://penelope.uchicago.edu/~grout/encyclopaedia_romana/calendar/saturnalia.html

From this we get the tradition of gift giving over the winter holiday.

From the eastern european Koleda we get the tradition of strolling around neighborhoods caroling...

Christmas itself is actually so nonchristian on nature that puritan led England banned the celebration entirely, as they were incapable of de-secularizing it and/or removing the pagan aspects of the holiday. The same occurred in the colonies at around the same time. They considered it wasteful and immoral.

I think therefore, it's pretty amazing how hard the christian rightists are fighting to re-popularize x-mas, given that there is virtually nothing of their actual religious beliefs associated with the holidays.
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This has exactly what to do with 2011? Virtually every faith has a celebration of something at the end of the harvest, around Winter & Summer Solstice, except for Atheists who mass murder the whole year round. Good Night Mr Stalin, Good Night Uncle Adolf Keep the ovens fired up OK?
 
SparrowHawk said:
This has exactly what to do with 2011? Virtually every faith has a celebration of something at the end of the harvest, around Winter & Summer Solstice, except for Atheists who mass murder the whole year round.
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Uh-oh, now I've done it. Sorry about making you drag your knuckles all the way up off the ground there. Don't look now, but I think there's someone in your state not being ashamed of having non-marital sex. Better run along and go tell them off too.
 
DarkSnowyNight said:
Uh-oh, now I've done it. Sorry about making you drag your knuckles all the way up off the ground there. Don't look now, but I think there's someone in your state not being ashamed of having non-marital sex. Better run along and go tell them off too.
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Well the scabs on my knuckles were getting itchy so I had to lift them anyway :lol: :lol:

Here's how it works for me. My faith is just that. MINE! Conversely yours is yours. I can and do respect that.

Right up until you trash mine then it's Kattie bar the door. The connection between Atheism and Mass Murder to me is pretty clear. Just as the connection between Christianity and Hypocrisy is pretty blatant.

Personally, I don't care even a little who you or what you screw, when you screw or if you screw. Same goes for your choice of Religion or no religion whatsoever. You are a sovereign citizen in a free society as am I.

This time of year is very important to many who do celebrate the birth of Christ. So if you want me to respect your position then extend me the same courtesy. This is something that Atheists seem to have trouble with.
 
DarkSnowyNight said:
A certainty, actually...


Here's just one of several festivals the christians appropriated for their jesus day...

http://penelope.uchicago.edu/~grout/encyclopaedia_romana/calendar/saturnalia.html

From this we get the tradition of gift giving over the winter holiday.

From the eastern european Koleda we get the tradition of strolling around neighborhoods caroling...

Christmas itself is actually so nonchristian on nature that puritan led England banned the celebration entirely, as they were incapable of de-secularizing it and/or removing the pagan aspects of the holiday. The same occurred in the colonies at around the same time. They considered it wasteful and immoral.

I think therefore, it's pretty amazing how hard the christian rightists are fighting to re-popularize x-mas, given that there is virtually nothing of their actual religious beliefs associated with the holidays.
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You shouldn't do that..
I spent the last half hour on the floor swooning and screaming 'get thee behind me Satan, in the name of Jesus'.
 
Speaking of atheist.

Atheist messages displace CA park nativity scenes

Looks like the church got beat out for the sites after a 57 yr run.
SANTA MONICA, Calif. (AP) -- Jesus, Mary, Joseph and the three wise men are being crowded out by atheists.

Most of the Christmas nativity scenes that churches had placed in a Santa Monica coastal park for decades have been displaced by non-religious displays - and the churches are crying conspiracy.

The Santa Monica Nativity Scenes Committee, a coalition of 13 churches, and the Santa Monica Police Officers Association, has traditionally claimed 14 of the 21 display spaces, which are vandal-proof, cage-like areas surrounded by chain-link fencing.
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Apparently, Christian people quite often lead better lives than the faithless. I understand there are data to confirm this (specifically, that Christians tend to be ‘happier’), and this seems to be borne out in my experience of certain Christians I know IRL. Obviously, believing in God brings its own special torments (looking around an unrestful place like this clearly demonstrates the double-edged nature of the sword of religion), but it seems likely to me that Christianity can offer certain fruits of living in a Better Way. Atheists can have those things too- don’t get me wrong- but it seems to me that we are often rather poor at it, perhaps partly because it can sometimes be pretty negative to take a worldview based on the position that something doesn’t exist, and that believing it does is bollocks.

I suspect Christians sometimes live better lives as a kind of side effect of their beliefs, and the fact that there is clearly no God doesn’t stop them enjoying those fruits. I wonder if I can get me some of that. I feel it should be possible to live like a Christian without believing in all that silly #### about God and everything, and, if so, I wonder how you think a good secular humanist atheist should set about living his life? The begged question is obviously, Can one enjoy the fruits without the mumbo jumbo?

Oh, and please don’t worry about my being Found or anything- I am not suffering doubts about the non-existence of God, nor am I kidding myself about the capacity for Christians to suffer the shittest lives of us all. It’s just that they often seem quite cheerful and fulfilled, the smug bastards.
 
Manuela11 said:
Apparently, Christian people quite often lead better lives than the faithless. I understand there are data to confirm this (specifically, that Christians tend to be ‘happier’), and this seems to be borne out in my experience of certain Christians I know IRL. Obviously, believing in God brings its own special torments (looking around an unrestful place like this clearly demonstrates the double-edged nature of the sword of religion), but it seems likely to me that Christianity can offer certain fruits of living in a Better Way. Atheists can have those things too- don’t get me wrong- but it seems to me that we are often rather poor at it, perhaps partly because it can sometimes be pretty negative to take a worldview based on the position that something doesn’t exist, and that believing it does is bollocks.

I suspect Christians sometimes live better lives as a kind of side effect of their beliefs, and the fact that there is clearly no God doesn’t stop them enjoying those fruits. I wonder if I can get me some of that. I feel it should be possible to live like a Christian without believing in all that silly #### about God and everything, and, if so, I wonder how you think a good secular humanist atheist should set about living his life? The begged question is obviously, Can one enjoy the fruits without the mumbo jumbo?

Oh, and please don’t worry about my being Found or anything- I am not suffering doubts about the non-existence of God, nor am I kidding myself about the capacity for Christians to suffer the shittest lives of us all. It’s just that they often seem quite cheerful and fulfilled, the smug bastards.
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Blog: ship of fools

B) xUT
 
Ms Tree said:
It would be nice if it went to court. I am pretty sure the city would lose. If you use public funds the public has to be treated equally. Takes a lot of money to pursue a court case so I doubt it will happen. Not like it's a big deal right? It's only the 1st amendment.
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It would be an interesting item if say in Dearborn there were some Ramadan displays on public property.

Wonder how'd that go down?
 
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