Attention all US Airways Pilots With Capped Retirement From PBGC

[john john]

You obviously don't know what your talking about. If the public sector goes on their merry way then I would have retired already at 55.

As a government employee with 35?? years of service??? at age 55 you cannot go on your merry with full retirement ?
Are you a double, triple dipper?
I think government pay and benefits set a precedent for private sector employees. Collective bargaining with standers is always better.

 

[usa1]

Look, private sector guys are on to your scam ..... the county is broke, the ponzi scheme is about to revile itself ... party's over? 😛h34r:

What are all you public sector retirees doing on this board anyway ..... double-dipping?

 

[700UW]

If you have such a beef with public sector because of their benefits, go get a job in the public sector. You work for Piedmont (EN) you wont get what the majors get and you knew the wages, benefits and working conditions when you started working for them.

Instead of whining and complaining, quit and get a better job.

 

[700UW]

Doesnt Congress and the Pentagon set the salaries for the Armed Services?

So blame the politicians for the pay levels.

 

[signals]

As a government employee with 35?? years of service??? at age 55 you cannot go on your merry with full retirement ?
Are you a double, triple dipper?
I think government pay and benefits set a precedent for private sector employees. Collective bargaining with standers is always better.

Yes lets continue to make things up as we go along. Where did you get that I have 35 years of service? I have under 20 and until you reach twenty years your retirement doesn't give you squat. You may have misunderstood me when I said that with 33 years of service(in my sector) one will get full retirement, in other words 33 years of service is all that will count toward your retirement.

For the sake of argument, lets say I did have 33 years of service in the retirement system. It would be my choice if I wanted to work until 62(I will retire by then), but my retirement is maxed out at 55!

Quit putting spins on what big shot politicians do with your tax dollars 😛

 

[700UW]

Educate YOURSELF in the comprehension of the English language. He/she never mentioned "dues money."

EDUCATE YOURSELF, Dues money is the source of income for unions, the PACs are a separate entity.

Try again

 

[signals]

Look, private sector guys are on to your scam ..... the county is broke, the ponzi scheme is about to revile itself ... party's over? 😛h34r:

What are all you public sector retirees doing on this board anyway ..... double-dipping?

Better to stay quiet and let them think you a fool, rather than dispelling all doubt 😛 I haven't retired yet and love hearing the educated idiots 😛

 

[john john]

33 years of service(in my sector) one will get full retirement,

That is a great deal since you are on a USAirways borad if management would just give the US union employees that ONE THING it would probably pass and employees would be dancing in the street.
And we haven even brought up health care

The government sector has ?had? A great deal but the private sector is bringing you DOWN with ever bankrupisty and CEO lobbies puppets. The politician are trying to change pubic opinion and it isn’t going your way

 

[usa1]

Well, well, well ...... I emailed my Senator about this 3-4 weeks ago. Guess who just called me! Just hung up. I was shocked. Boy was I ready though ...... Basically he assured me that it's being addressed and that public sector pension are about to change. He's working on a bill right now.

He also said that the Ryan plan would have to be refined quite a bit before it would ever get off the ground. We talked for nearly a half hour.

I gave him the rundown on what it's like to be a 30-35 year aviation employee, and explain to him exactly how DC's policies have crushed some very responsible, hard working, private sector employees.

IM pretty sure he will call again as things unfold.

 

[SparrowHawk]

EDUCATE YOURSELF, Dues money is the source of income for unions, the PACs are a separate entity.

Try again

OK, so who DOESN'T know that!?

I at no time anyplace in the prior two posts ever claimed that unions EVER donated directly to political causes. In fact I stated exactly the opposite, that I felt the Government had no business in regulating how a union uses its funds, be they dues or donation. Which goes back to original point in that the Federal Government has legislated away the viability of unionism. For the past 80 years the Democrats held a majority in the House & Senate and even the White House most of the time. We had the New Deal under FDR that did an awful lot to curtail things like secondary strikes, boycotts & Wildcat Strikes. This is direct interference by a power hungry government in an effort to keep union unrest at a minimum. Next, it created an alphabet soup of agencies like the NLRB, NMB to name but two.

The Feds used laws to steal your rights as individuals to band to together to promote your common interests and what did the unions do? Aided and abetted their biggest enemy by supporting the political Wilde-beast with the sweat of their members brows. Splitting hairs over PAC Money vs Union Dues is just silly as it doesn't change the dollar figure donated one cent.

Back when Unions had a 35 to 40 percent market share of the work force, all of that money could have been used to create a third party aptly titled "Labor Party"to ensure that the point of view of the average Jane/Joe was represented. But the Union Leaders were/are political hacks and sold their unions & members out to the politicians who in turn sold their jobs to the third world.

If you draw a paycheck in the USA it's BOHICA then, BOHICA now, BOHICA tomorrow and BOHICA forever. Only difference is now they don't even use any lube

 

[700UW]

OK, so who DOESN'T know that!?

I at no time anyplace in the prior two posts ever claimed that unions EVER donated directly to political causes.

Really then explain this:

So is life, What's your point?

Unions have pumped BILLIONS into the Democratic Party only to have law after law passed that screw the average Joe/Jane on a daily basis by Democrats.

 

[signals]

That is a great deal since you are on a USAirways borad if management would just give the US union employees that ONE THING it would probably pass and employees would be dancing in the street.
And we haven even brought up health care

The government sector has ?had? A great deal but the private sector is bringing you DOWN with ever bankrupisty and CEO lobbies puppets. The politician are trying to change pubic opinion and it isn’t going your way

Great if you start at 22 years of age. My healthcare isn't much better than most airline employees. But it is better than state workers. Our unions are screwing us big time on this one that has progressively gotten worse in the past 10 years and new hires are lucky if they can get it.

Many gov workers are being given packages(just like any other industry) for early retirement, so they can get rid of higher wage earners and replace them with $8 an hour employees. Most won't get any benefits because they are dubbed 'temps' and can stay that way indefinitely.

You need to remember that this is a global market, and to compete, we too, must earn a third world wage. It is effecting everybody and quit pointing the finger of blame on anyone but the President who helped tear down the Berlin wall, the one who started NAFTA, the one who raised taxes, the one who created new taxes, the one who went to war, and the one who cries that he inherited all these problems.

In the end, life goes on and some have heart attacks over stupid arguments...so see ya 😛

 

[usa1]

Well, well, well ...... I emailed my Senator about this 3-4 weeks ago. Guess who just called me! Just hung up. I was shocked. Boy was I ready though ...... Basically he assured me that it's being addressed and that public sector pension are about to change. He's working on a bill right now.

He also said that the Ryan plan would have to be refined quite a bit before it would ever get off the ground. We talked for nearly a half hour.

I gave him the rundown on what it's like to be a 30-35 year aviation employee, and explain to him exactly how DC's policies have crushed some very responsible, hard working, private sector employees.

IM pretty sure he will call again as things unfold.

One more thing he said .... the PBGC is NOT solvent.

Now this is me trying to read between the lines .... it sounded like public sector pensions are going to be placed into a 401K. It's possibly that our PBGC plan could be placed into our 401K in the form of a lump sum. I hope they are fair with US. Our union needs to make sure that when they do the math we get the same formula the government employees get? May be then I can list something the union did for me....

SR employees you need to write your Senators ... your future is being decided right now, without you.

 

[nycbusdriver]

EDUCATE YOURSELF, Dues money is the source of income for unions, the PACs are a separate entity.

Try again

Oh, so the thousands of dollars that US Airways sends to the United Way every year is US Airways' money? No, you fool. US Airways runs a campaign to get employees to spend THEIR money on the United Way.

That's how the unions funnel money into politicians. It's PAC money, or private donations by members at the urging of the union which endorses particular candidates. Just because it doesn't come directly from union coffers does not mean that unions are not responsible for getting the money flowing in the direction they intend.

700UW....rhymes with Enron.

 

[LD3]

Marine Deaths

I just returned from the store .... passed by some road construction. 7 public employees watching 1 guy dig. Four of them had on orange vest with supervisor stenciled on the back. The rest of them looked like they were just killing time. I wonder what local tax payers pay them by the hour? At least one of them was earning it.

I'll go to work today and our ramp (Piedmont) will have three guys trying to park and unload three planes at the same time .... and then get the bags to the bag belt within 12 mins? 2 guys will try and clean 7 or 8 airplanes in 3 hours? The Piedmont guys make $8.00 an hour?

Public Sector -vs- Private Sector = Half the work for three times the pay and benefits??????

And now they want to cut the Piedmont guys SS and Medicare benefits because the government wasted all the money???? PLEASE!

That all and good...Now you defend the GSE mechanics I see every night sleeping under the A connector? Or the Base mechanics I see sleeping every night in the midfield hole? Or how about the Line mechanics I see sleeping every night in the darkness of the hangar ramp? Who is paying their wages, your freeking customers are, that's who!!!! And don't bring up this $8.00/hr crap, ask the guys in CLT that walks the ramps every night with a blower on his back cleaning your mess what he's making an hour, I'll tell what he/she is making, about $9.50/hr, nice pension they'll have....