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Aviation Record: Mechanics rate $50 / Hour barrier Surpassed By TEAMSTERS

Should AA mechanics dump TWU and hire Teamsters?


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TEAMSTERS - UPS Mechanics Tentative Agreement Announced.
http://www.teamster.org/content/teamsters-and-ups-reach-tentative-agreement-aircraft-mechanics-contract-negotiations

Feel free to load up this topic. I say; FIRE TWU!

Are the lives of passengers worth less than cargo?
 
And what are the IBT mechanics making at CO and UA?

What about the fact the UPS farms out 100% of overhaul?
 
Ok so shut down TUL, DFW and AFW and you can get your $50.

How may layoffs would that entail?

Go look at every IBT M&R CBA and you will see it outsources the majority if not all heavy maintenance.
 
Spin off overhaul to a new corporation called; "AMR-MRO" and have your TWU over there.
 
Not gonna happen, the ibt lets the companies farmout heavy to MROs all over the world.

So how many layoffs would that be and how much bumping?

Answer the questions, or did you not really think your ideas through?
 
Ok so shut down TUL, DFW and AFW and you can get your $50.

How may layoffs would that entail?

Go look at every IBT M&R CBA and you will see it outsources the majority if not all heavy maintenance.

What do USAIR mechanics make and how much in house OH do they have? I mean if pay is to have in inverse relationship to the amount of insoiurced work the USAIR should be the leader in insourcing since they are the least paid right?

Didnt the IAM give UAL the green light on outsourcing over at UAL?
 
Typical you deflect instead of answering.

I guess you forgot our CBA was abrogated in Bankruptcy and the company's final offer was voted (imposed).

US currently overhauls all the 737s and Airbus A320 family aircraft in-house.

With the 757s also slowly coming back in-house also.

I do not know the current rates, but I doubt they are the lowest, as they have had raises and a post merger CBA and are currently in Section 6 Negotiations.

So is anyone going to answer how many layoffs would it be if AA outsources heavy maintenance?
 
What's your seniority? Mine is 7-24-85.
 
Typical you deflect instead of answering.

I guess you forgot our CBA was abrogated in Bankruptcy and the company's final offer was voted (imposed).

US currently overhauls all the 737s and Airbus A320 family aircraft in-house.

With the 757s also slowly coming back in-house also.

I do not know the current rates, but I doubt they are the lowest, as they have had raises and a post merger CBA and are currently in Section 6 Negotiations.

So is anyone going to answer how many layoffs would it be if AA outsources heavy maintenance?

Not a deflection, since i didnt think your questions were to me. Your statements inspired my questions. I hate when union people do managements work, whether its intentional or not.

IIRC you guys opened your contract early for the first round of concessions in the late Summer of 2002, because management promised if you did they would not file, which they did anyway and then they came back for more. That sent the whole industry down the toilet. Thanks.
Here you are 9 years later still singing in praise of concessions while the airlines are bringing in more money than ever.

The fact is that the mechanic per aircraft ratio at UPS and SWA and Fed Ex hasnt changed much since 2000, wheras the same cant be said for the rest of us, even AA. what has changed dramatically is the percentage difference in pay between those carriers and the legacy carriers.

Why do you assume that if we ask for more money it means less heads? Heads is determined by workload not payrates. When UAL started outsourcing their costs went up, not down. The more fuel goes up the more costly it becomes to send work out as well. Most big MROs are in out of the way places, meaning planes have to be ferried there and back. This all adds costs. If MROs are paying their guys $25/hr that doesnt mean that Airline workers have to compete with $25/hr, because MROS dont charge the airlines what they pay their workers, they charge them more, much more. Other issues are quality and control.

You say USAIR does all 737 and A-320 work in house? So are you saying Aeroman only works 757s for USAIR? Thats odd because they specialize in A-320 and 737 Heavy Maintenance

At $50/hr outsourcing may or may not be more economical, but lets make the company produce the figures and make the arguement, Union people shouldnt make it for them with just assumptions. I know you are a Union man, but maybe you need to question the information that your six figure earning business unionists leaders are feeding you. Look at how well they have done for themselves and look at us. Greedy corporataions arent the only challenge that workers face.
 
Guess you havent been to the hangars in PIT and CLT, and PHX(Light checks) are performed, Aeroman use to do the West A320s.

We didnt take concessions out of chapter 11, US filed Bankruptcy in August of 2002, we didnt vote on concessions till after that. We did have talks with them and they never produced an agreement. They filed bankruptcy, and we were forced to negotiate or face abrogation. In BK II we were abrogated.

Every union on the property, ALPA, AFA, CWA, TWU and IAM were reimbursed for expenses incurred for concessionary negotiations.

There was no money involved to campaign for ratification, as a matter of fact we voted the concessions down, only to have Siegel tell the rank and file he will conduct his own revote or go for Section 1113 abrogation, so the international made the decision to revote.

Then in November they threatened to liquidate and we negotiated more concessions.

Every hotel, lost time and experts used had itemized receipts submitted and approved by the court. I for one dont want my dues money to pay for negotiations that the company requested.

Just like your beloved TWU did at AA, your union took money for the expenses also, you all took concessions OUT of Bankruptcy, not the IAM at US.

I was there, I lived it, you werent, before you post I would suggest you get what really happened.
 
Guess you havent been to the hangars in PIT and CLT, and PHX(Light checks) are performed, Aeroman use to do the West A320s.

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No I havent, where do they do their heavy checks?

Just like your beloved TWU did at AA, your union took money for the expenses also, you all took concessions OUT of Bankruptcy, not the IAM at US.
Well as you may or may not know I campaigned hard against taking concessions at AA, and was removed from office by the International as a result of my criticism of how they were jamed down our throats. The members put me back in office the first chance they got.

I dont recall you campaigning against the Concessions at USAIIR.

Getting back on topic. Let management produce the figures and stop making their arguements for them. The fact is that prior to 2002 UPS, FED Ex and SWA contracted out most of the heavy OH and our pay rates were much closer. They didnt see big gains, at best they kept up with inflation, we on the other hand saw big losses, however the people feeding you the propaganda you post here about getting rid of OH in exchange for more pay probably didnt see any paycuts, check the LM-2s.
 
I campaigned against concessions, I vote no all the time and during bankruptcy II I was on the NC and I was at the votes in ATL And CLT and I told everyone I voted no and intended to have them vote no.

I didnt campaign on message boards.
 
Hey you didn't reply to my post. So here's some more it's 73deg and sunny in CA. By the way let's save some more jobs via BS job protection and reduce our wages even more. They'll layoff anyway just like they did before. The TWU does not care how much we make, they only care about how many dues payees they have. So let's work for $5.00 an hour so everyone can have a job. Again my seniority is 7-24-85 what's yours.
 
I campaigned against concessions, I vote no all the time and during bankruptcy II I was on the NC and I was at the votes in ATL And CLT and I told everyone I voted no and intended to have them vote no.

I didnt campaign on message boards.

Well maybe if you did you would have had better results, more people read these than go to union meetings.

We also used the media.

Why are you here making managements arguement for them that the choice is accept lower wages or less jobs? Is this what Unionism has come to? You should be ashamed of yourself.
 

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