Garfield1966
Veteran
That is not the argument I am making. They are not organized in the manner of a national government. They are a spread out group loosely held together by their hatred for all things western. They are compartmentalized and distrustful even of others around them.
I do not think an all out scorch and burn would work. The Russians tried that in Afghanistan and failed miserably. Whether the out come would have been different had we not supported OBL and his band of thugs we will never know.
Israel has been fighting terrorism for close to 70 years now. They have all levels of confrontation from surgical to all out war. None worked.
What do they fear? I do not think they fear anything. The radicals of any religion do not seem to fear anything on earth. They are waiting for the afterlife.
I think if we have any hope of 'winning' (I think containment would be the best we an hope for) is to attack the two things that I think they need. They need a place to be and they need money. Out of those two things, money is where we can have an affect. Were the US to say that any country found harboring terrorists will not be doing any business with the US and any other country doing business with that country will also be added to that list as well. I believe that those countries would be quite inclined to kick the bastards out of their boarders. I think the biggest problem with that is our dependence on oil. That dependence will prevent us from winning any measurable victory over these bastards. Our country cannot survive with out oil and they know it. Had we started 30 or 40 years ago to ween our selves from oil we would in all likely hood be able to survive on our own reserves and we would not be in the mess we are in now.
The only reason we have any interest in that pile of sand called the ME is oil. Various countries went into the ME and carved it up in order to gain control over the area. Now those areas have discovered oil and and they are making us pay for it. Break the dependence on oil and you break their hold on the world economy. Break their hold and there is no compelling reason to give them money to fund the various terrorist organization.
Of course none of this will ever come to pass because there are governments,companies and their benefactors who are getting filth rich off of oil. Then there is the fact that people are short sighted and unwilling to make any sacrifices in their life style. They #### about high fuel prices as they throw their plastic container into the waste and step into their empty SUV.
I believe terrorism is here to stay. The rest of the world has been dealing with it for decades. Now it has crossed our boarders and we can learn to accept it as the rest of the world has. We can water board as many people as you want. Make as many attacks as you want. Kill one and 4 more pop up. They are like rats. They multiply faster than you can get them. Then there is the oil thing. No one really wants to try to hard in case they jeopardize the supply.
War does not work against terrorists. Never has and never will. Break the money supply and I thin we have a far better chance of winning.
I do not think an all out scorch and burn would work. The Russians tried that in Afghanistan and failed miserably. Whether the out come would have been different had we not supported OBL and his band of thugs we will never know.
Israel has been fighting terrorism for close to 70 years now. They have all levels of confrontation from surgical to all out war. None worked.
What do they fear? I do not think they fear anything. The radicals of any religion do not seem to fear anything on earth. They are waiting for the afterlife.
I think if we have any hope of 'winning' (I think containment would be the best we an hope for) is to attack the two things that I think they need. They need a place to be and they need money. Out of those two things, money is where we can have an affect. Were the US to say that any country found harboring terrorists will not be doing any business with the US and any other country doing business with that country will also be added to that list as well. I believe that those countries would be quite inclined to kick the bastards out of their boarders. I think the biggest problem with that is our dependence on oil. That dependence will prevent us from winning any measurable victory over these bastards. Our country cannot survive with out oil and they know it. Had we started 30 or 40 years ago to ween our selves from oil we would in all likely hood be able to survive on our own reserves and we would not be in the mess we are in now.
The only reason we have any interest in that pile of sand called the ME is oil. Various countries went into the ME and carved it up in order to gain control over the area. Now those areas have discovered oil and and they are making us pay for it. Break the dependence on oil and you break their hold on the world economy. Break their hold and there is no compelling reason to give them money to fund the various terrorist organization.
Of course none of this will ever come to pass because there are governments,companies and their benefactors who are getting filth rich off of oil. Then there is the fact that people are short sighted and unwilling to make any sacrifices in their life style. They #### about high fuel prices as they throw their plastic container into the waste and step into their empty SUV.
I believe terrorism is here to stay. The rest of the world has been dealing with it for decades. Now it has crossed our boarders and we can learn to accept it as the rest of the world has. We can water board as many people as you want. Make as many attacks as you want. Kill one and 4 more pop up. They are like rats. They multiply faster than you can get them. Then there is the oil thing. No one really wants to try to hard in case they jeopardize the supply.
War does not work against terrorists. Never has and never will. Break the money supply and I thin we have a far better chance of winning.
