Binary explosives

[dapoes]

Aside from the issue of torture being against everything the US stands for. Great fit.

And what is included in your naive interpretation of "everything the US stands for"?

Feeling holier than thou because we as a country profess horror at torturing terrorists is laughable. We're making ourselves marginally more vulnerable to becoming extinct by fighting with both hands tied behind our back, while our enemies put no such constraints on themselves, and then mock us for our weakness.

I'm sorry to say, but torture per se is not evil. Torturing an innocent child or a harmless 80-year-old grandmother is evil. Torturing someone who has killed scores of innocents, is hellbent on killing scores of innocents, or has information on those who would kill scores of innocents isn't evil, in our current day and age, it's a moral imperative.

Our enemies actually understand the concept of self-preservation when it comes to their culture, whereas we don't. Meaning we've become "that guy," you know, the one you can mock to his face without him knowing it. Which is to say, we're pathetic.

 

[777 fixer]

Water board the little clown.

From what has been said on the news he's been rather talkative already.

The Uninted States has a long history of defending itself from attack and a massive retaliation is in my mind keeping with the traditions of our founding fathers.

Thoma Jefferson said it well.

The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants. It is it’s natural manure.

Applied then, still applies today

Jefferson was not talking about defending America from attack and a massive retaliation in the event of an attack when he said that.

 

[dapoes]

From what has been said on the news he's been rather talkative already.

Nope.

Abdulmutallab remains in a Detroit area prison and, after initial debriefings by the FBI, has restricted his cooperation since securing a defense attorney, according to federal officials. Authorities are holding out hope that he will change his mind and cooperate with the probe, the officials said.

Sooo even they are waiting out for hope and change? :blink:

 

[Ed Norton]

Could this be more staged B.S. to scare the sheeple?! Underwear bomber had no passport! In case CNN is too "liberal"....here's FOX.

On another note. I read all the crap about this type of torture being "un american" or that type of torture being "un american."
What do you think is taught at the School of the Americas (now WHINSEC) in the Panama Canal Zone and later Ft. Benning GA. to Latin American militaries in order to control their people and carry out U.S. imperialism in the region?

 

[Garfield1966]

Of course it was staged, so was 9/11 what's the big deal?

Actions do not necessarily align with principles. That does not make it right or mean that most americans agree with it much less know about it.

 

[southwind]

Could this be more staged B.S. to scare the sheeple?! Underwear bomber had no passport! In case CNN is too "liberal"....here's FOX.

On another note. I read all the crap about this type of torture being "un american" or that type of torture being "un american."
What do you think is taught at the School of the Americas (now WHINSEC) in the Panama Canal Zone and later Ft. Benning GA. to Latin American militaries in order to control their people and carry out U.S. imperialism in the region?

Sieg Heil Her Commandant ! :down:

 

[SparrowHawk]

Jefferson was not talking about defending America from attack and a massive retaliation in the event of an attack when he said that.

No he was talking about internal subversion. Kinda like ObamaCare for example

 

[777 fixer]

No he was talking about internal subversion. Kinda like ObamaCare for example

What on earth are you talking about?

 

[777 fixer]

Could this be more staged B.S. to scare the sheeple?! Underwear bomber had no passport! In case CNN is too "liberal"....here's FOX.

You should be more carefull when you use the word sheeple. Especially when you jump on a story that turns out to be lacking in facts.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/12/30/...in6037474.shtml

 

[Ed Norton]

You should be more carefull when you use the word sheeple. Especially when you jump on a story that turns out to be lacking in facts.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/12/30/...in6037474.shtml

Well then, I stand corrected...since the Dutch CIA says he had a passport it must be true. 😀
The eye witness must have made a mistake...again. 😀
Funny how this guy goes through all the trouble of putting on explosive underwear, yet the media reports that he was not proficient enough to properly set off the device. He must have farted and it went off!

 

[Ed Norton]

Sieg Heil Her Commandant ! :down:

Sorry, your comment went over my head. :unsure:

 

[dapoes]

Nice!

Houston Man found with Rocket Launcher and Jihadist writings; No Charges Filed

When officers went inside, they found something that made them concerned enough to call the bomb squad. They found an AT-4 shoulder-mounted rocket launcher. It can shoot a missile nearly 1,000 feet through buildings and tanks.

[...]

The woman did tell police that the rocket launcher belonged to Nabilaye I. Yansane, someone whom she allowed to store items at her apartment. Police records show that she didn’t want Yansane at her apartment, so she called them.

According to court documents, officers also found Jihadist writings that allegedly belonged to Yansane.

Don’t fret though, they got him on “criminal trespassingâ€￾. All that Jihadi stuff? No cause for alarm, move along.

 

[The Man]

For every mouse trap someone will build a better mouse.

Not this time, he only managed to roast his nuts. Don't waterboard, just withold the bactine.

 

[Garfield1966]

But he got on board with a highly volatile explosive. The fact that he screwed up and could not make it go boom is immaterial.

The thing with fighting terrorists is it's like playing whack-a-mole. They keep popping up at random. I don't care how good you are at playing, at some point you will miss one. All it takes is one. The terrorists can keep throwing more things out there. They only need to win once, we need to win every time. Who do you think has better odds of succeeding?

As with the war on drugs, we need a better game plan because the one we are playing will fail. Statistically it has too.

 

[dapoes]

But he got on board with a highly volatile explosive. The fact that he screwed up and could not make it go boom is immaterial.

The thing with fighting terrorists is it's like playing whack-a-mole. They keep popping up at random. I don't care how good you are at playing, at some point you will miss one. All it takes is one. The terrorists can keep throwing more things out there. They only need to win once, we need to win every time. Who do you think has better odds of succeeding?

As with the war on drugs, we need a better game plan because the one we are playing will fail. Statistically it has too.

And there lies the problem. You cant play whack a mole with an organized radicalized terror organization determined to bring destruction upon the US and its citizens. Its not a crime wave we are dealing with. Definitely cant mirandize and hope they cooperate either.

Our own PC only aids in their success and they know it. We underestimate them at every level. We think they are men in caves, rather they range from the average joe to successful businessmen. In order for us to defeat radical terrorist organizations we have to understand what they fear the most and use that to bring them to their knees.

But that will never happen, the current administration doesn't have the guts nor the fortitude. They are more worried about prosecuting our own individuals for splashing water on the face of terrorists, then doing what it takes to keep us safe.