Boeing vs Airbus over AA order!
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I hope its boeing.The airbus neo is a paper airplane and any claims of fuel savings will have to be taken with a grain of salt.Boeing aircraft seem to be built to last longer,although with technology moving ahead,planes are traded sooner.I still feel the 737 series can be upgraded further and it keeps the present fleet of 737's current with new 737's if boeing wins the order. 🙂
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IMHO I don't think Boeing will go for a re-engine. What Airbus has achieved with the neo is that it has surpassed the fuel efficiency levels of the latest 737-NGs by a narrow margin. Here is a link providing a brief overview of the neo's engine options. I think Boeing would be better off designing an entirely new aircraft and release it within a couple of years after the deliveries of the A320neos have started.
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This was already discussed at length a couple weeks ago...
http://airlineforums.com/topic/51171-aa-to-replace-domestic-fleet/page__view__findpost__p__811421
neo on the 320 is indeed a catch-up to the NG, but in the link I provided in the older thread, Boeing and CFM also have plans for further tweaking of the NG platform. My money is still on Boeing here. It's not a coincidence that they last longer and have higher residual values vs. Airbus, and unlike US Airways, United classic and Northwest, both AMR and SWA seem to be less likely to buy based on cash-flow or short-term benefits.
AMR learned with the MD11 and Fokkers that short term gain can be expensive. I really don't expect to see them doing another Fokk up here.
http://airlineforums.com/topic/51171-aa-to-replace-domestic-fleet/page__view__findpost__p__811421
neo on the 320 is indeed a catch-up to the NG, but in the link I provided in the older thread, Boeing and CFM also have plans for further tweaking of the NG platform. My money is still on Boeing here. It's not a coincidence that they last longer and have higher residual values vs. Airbus, and unlike US Airways, United classic and Northwest, both AMR and SWA seem to be less likely to buy based on cash-flow or short-term benefits.
AMR learned with the MD11 and Fokkers that short term gain can be expensive. I really don't expect to see them doing another Fokk up here.
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Boeing stepped on their junk whilst wearing golf shoes when they shut the 757 line.A 757 "NEO" with raked wingtips, new engines and mayhaps some composite material improvements from the 787 program would have the major operators of the type chomping at the bit to order a true 757 "Next Gen".
The 737 is a fine airplane but it isn't a 757, no matter how much range they wring out of it.
The 737 is a fine airplane but it isn't a 757, no matter how much range they wring out of it.
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Agree wholeheartedly, passengers and crew like the 757.
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I agree. Boeing over Scarebus! 75 over 73!
problem for AA with any order is the maintenance program. You just CAN'T fly the hell out these planes without doing maintenance!! AA went from PS 0912 to No Check, back to PS Check and now a glorified No Check (0909 service check).
......and then management wonders why AA has a dependability problem????
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I've not forgotten from my military time - aircraft do not like to be cheated out of their maintenance. They get pissed and bite you in the ass. Hardly something a group of bean counters would understand.
As for your "perfect aircraft" idea, you might have something there. The '57 has an excellent airframe (except for the pylons) but as much as I like Rolls motors, there's probably something better out there - no doubt though, the 211 makes the '57 a hot rod - the takeoffs from SNA are fun.
I agree. Problem is, the fallout from OBL's successful attack (nearly 10 years ago) dried up orders for the 757. I don't pretend to understand the airplane manufacturing process - is it completely impossible/uneconomical to ever re-start a production line for a discontinued airplane? Did Boeing scrap all the tooling, jigs and other infrastructure so that it's like an artist breaking the mold? Did Boeing's suppliers do the same thing with their tooling?
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I believe it's more about the market for narrowbody over widebody. Airlines are agressively marketing INTL travel. 757 doesn't have the distance or capacity to compete against 777 or 787.
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