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[777 fixer]

He was one of 4 Congressmen to support RR at one point so I'm thinking when he took his foray into the Libertarian Party he did so not out of a lack of support of RR but out of frustration with the direction of Washington. I'm not him, I'm speculating. RR had many flaws and IMO the reason his light shines so bright today was he was viewed as a man of principle, even by those who held his views in open contempt. Those who support Dr Paul in many cases feel exactly the same way about his principled approach.

Instead of being a man of principle it he sounds like anyother politician. He does what's politically expedient at that moment. When it suits his purposes in his congressional district he supports Reagan. When he's talking to a bunch of Libertarians he attacks Reagan.

 

[SparrowHawk]

Instead of being a man of principle it he sounds like anyother politician. He does what's politically expedient at that moment. When it suits his purposes in his congressional district he supports Reagan. When he's talking to a bunch of Libertarians he attacks Reagan.

At the time of said speech he was NOT a Republican or Member of Congress. Running as a Libertarian is hardly politically expedient. In fact it's a pretty good way to get labeled a kook.

It's likely the reason he generally says he doesn't want to run third Party if he can't capture the Republican nomination.

What I find amusing is how people seeks to discredit his integrity and dig up all manner of dirt only to come up with mostly empty shovels. It's especially amusing given you'd need a whole Dump Truck just to haul away Newt's dirty laundry and assorted skeletons, nevermind the others running.

 

[Ms Tree]

No one else needs to dig, it there for all to see as you just posted above. He does what is politically expedient just like all politicians. Perhaps to a lesser degree but hew still does it. "Running as a libertarian is hardly politically expedient". Your words not mine. "...he doesn't want to run third Party if he can't capture the Republican nomination.". Again your words not mine. He is either a libertarian or he is a republican. You have always insisted that they are not the same because when I claim you are a republican you get bent out of shape. Well, Paul is running under the republican banner so he must be a republican. If he were a man of principle he would have continued to run as a libertarian which would have been in line with his principles and would have been consistent with his principles. You can call it a compromise, politically expedient or what ever other pretty adjective you want to use but it all amounts to the same thing. He is a libertarian who toned down some of his rhetoric, changed party affiliation and is playing to the majority crowd in order to win an election. Paul, welcome to party politics. Here's your seat.

 

[delldude]

You forgot to add Conservative and Constitutionalist to your list.

 

[SparrowHawk]

You forgot to add Conservative and Constitutionalist to your list.

Yeah imagine that?

Follow the Constitution? What a novel idea and here I thought that was a given.

I never understand why that concept frightens Liberal Progressives. If we actually followed the COTUS we would have more civil liberty, less militarism. I thought that was the Liberal/Progressive creed?

Maybe they really are lying, scheming Liberty robbing scumbags I've always thought? It is damn funny that the critics have to go back 30 years and longer to even raise an eyebrow about this guy. I don't what percentage of his followers are attracted to him due to his Honesty & Integrity but they are there. One of the Paul supporters in NH was on TV and was asked why he supported Dr Paul. His reply was interesting as he essentially said, "I don't agree everything he says, but he's been saying it for 30 years, He doesn't say one thing to one group and turn around and say something different next speech, He tells us what he wants to do and I know he'll try to do exactly what he say" Ifoud that voters response quite sad actually as to me Dr Paul is the Minimum Standard of integrity, the fact that in this election he is the only candidate with even a thread of integrity does not bode well for this nation.

 

[777 fixer]

At the time of said speech he was NOT a Republican or Member of Congress. Running as a Libertarian is hardly politically expedient.

Dude, that's the defintion of political expediency. On board with Reagan when he's running as a Republican. Attacks Reagan when he's running as a Libertarian.

 

[SparrowHawk]

Dude, that's the defintion of political expediency. On board with Reagan when he's running as a Republican. Attacks Reagan when he's running as a Libertarian.

If you take the time to look into Dr Paul what you'll find is a person who was a philosophically speaking a Libertarian from his early days in politics. He read a great deal on the Austrian School of economics. His interest grew when Nixon took the US off the gold standard. In the 70's there was no place for Libertarians to go. The Party didn't really get going until Ed Clark ran in 1980 and got over a million votes.

As Reagan allowed the debt to grow, Dr Paul became more upset with the Republican Party. He also lost his bid to become a Senator at right around the same time. So he went back to being a Ob-Gyn and resigned from the Republican Party, eventually becoming the Libertarian Party Candidate for President.

Throughout his life he has never changed his views and a great deal of what he has predicted from as early as the '80's has come to pass. Somewhere on You Tube where he predicted the current economic meltdown in 1988. The Real Estate Bubble he predicted that the bubble would burst as early as 2001.

I think his foray into the Libertarian Party showed him first hand the stranglehold the Republicans and Democrats have on the electoral process. Over half of the money spent by Libertarians is spent on ballot access. Even Newt got caught in the rigged deck in VA and he's an insider.

I see no expediency, I see a man who stood on principle then and now.

 

[Ms Tree]

Not expedient my ass. He is a republicans running on/for the republican nomination. He no longer a libertarian running on a libertarian ticket. He soldmout. Perhaps not as much as the others but he sold out.

 

[Ms Tree]

Not expedient my ass. He is a republicans running on/for the republican nomination. He no longer a libertarian running on a libertarian ticket. He soldmout. Perhaps not as much as the others but he sold out.

 

[SparrowHawk]

Not expedient my ass. He is a republicans running on/for the republican nomination. He no longer a libertarian running on a libertarian ticket. He soldmout. Perhaps not as much as the others but he sold out.

Republican Party has had a Libertarian wing since before I was born and that was 1954.

Call it expediency if you must, but when you face the reality of a rigged deck on ballot access you have to be a Republican or Democrat in order to have a prayer of election.

Dr Paul has alluded to this on multiple occasions. When you compare his record to the batch of serial hypocrites and this is the worst you can come up with? He's either the real deal or you're not trying hard enough.

 

[tech2101]

Republican Party has had a Libertarian wing since before I was born and that was 1954.

Call it expediency if you must, but when you face the reality of a rigged deck on ballot access you have to be a Republican or Democrat in order to have a prayer of election You compromise your principles? 🙄

I fixed your post for you.

 

[SparrowHawk]

I fixed your post for you.

You don't think Ballot access is a rigged deck?

If that's how you feel then clearly you haven't been paying attention. I've worked to help Libertarians gain ballot access I can tell you first hand the deck is RIGGED.

 

[777 fixer]

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As Reagan allowed the debt to grow, Dr Paul became more upset with the Republican Party. He also lost his bid to become a Senator at right around the same time. So he went back to being a Ob-Gyn and resigned from the Republican Party, eventually becoming the Libertarian Party Candidate for President.

In other words Reagan is NOT the hero you try and make him out to be in post #9.

 

[777 fixer]

You don't think Ballot access is a rigged deck?

If that's how you feel then clearly you haven't been paying attention. I've worked to help Libertarians gain ballot access I can tell you first hand the deck is RIGGED.

If that's the case then why are you wasting your time here? Shoud'nt you be exposing this for the whole world to see?

 

[SparrowHawk]

If that's the case then why are you wasting your time here? Shoud'nt you be exposing this for the whole world to see?

Oh be still!

All you have to is go on line to most state websites and you can get the ballot access requirements. It's not hard to do. In some states it's just about impossible to gain ballot access unless you have Ross Perot type Money to spend.

Any body who has spent 30 seconds being politically involved knows the whole deck is rigged. From the media trying to pick winners & losers, Ballot access, fund raising, down to the point where the major parties will try to intimidate you and not allow you to hand out literature.

Trying to recall which year it was, must have been 1976 as my hair was still in a pony tail, but I was setting up my little table getting ready to greet the voters. I was 1st one there so I had the prime spot and when the Dems and Reps showed up they were PISSED. So about 5 minutes go by and these two "Large Guys" approach me.

LG: You can't set up there, you have to be 5 feet away from the door.
ME: Yes I know! Would you mind holding this end of the tape measure for me I might have measured wrong.
LG: Sure, but you're to close
ME: In the rules it clearly states 5 feet or 60 inches from the door correct?
LG: Yes and you're to close!
ME: Would you be so kind as to look at your tape measure and tell me how many inches from the door I am?
LG: 66 Inches
ME: OK, thanks guys so we're cool then?
LG: No you have to move.
ME: NO I don't and I'm not. I have a copy of the rules right here and I'm NOT moving. How about I call Chief Wismer and have him come over? He's best friends with my Grandfather, Let's get the Judge of Elections out here and see if he thinks I need to call the Chief? Go get him.
LG: OK
JE: You're OK where you are.
ME: Thank you

This is one incident in one small PA town that is repeated over and over throughout the land. If I hadn't dropped the Police Chiefs name I'm pretty sure I'd have come in second place in the brawl that was likely to occur. Like I said it's a rigged deck. Primaries are interesting too, especially if you are not supporting the local favorite.