Corporate Security Raids LGA Locker Room

[iluvaa]

Am I on glue or did you just accuse me of being a corporate supporter??? I don't know where you got that idea but you are so far off the mark on that one I would suggest you delete your post to save yourself the embarassment! No one on this board would ever accuse ME of being a supporter of ANY of the AMR executives.

I realize you just fell off the turnip truck and all with twenty-some posts, but did you hit your head when you fell?

Sheeesh! I'm insulted!!

Sorry for the accusation your post just hit me wrong. But if perks are ok for our management team how come there not ok for mechanics.

 

[FlyStorms]

Funny reading this thread. It seems those that are the most outraged by sleeping on the job have never been Line AMT's and have no clue how it works. Even when a good explanation is given they still say unacceptable....

You know, I worked 20 years doing rotating shift work, where your body never gets adjusted to the time changes. In the military, it was 3 days, 2 days off, 3 evenings, 2 days off, 3 midnights, 2 days off. Later, working as a dispatcher, it was 6 on, 3 off rotating shifts between the days, mids and evenings. You slept when you could and just dealt with it. At least with some of you, you're always on the midnight shift.

Never once did I flat-out sleep or make a nest. Are there nights when you get the head-bobs and fight to stay awake between 3-5am? You bet, but on those nights, you got up, walked around, talked to others who were fighting the same head nods and you got through it. If we'd have gotten caught in a dead sleep, we'd have been fired on the spot. And rightly, should've been fired.

I'm finally working regular hours like the rest of the mainstream country and am much better off in the long run. I made a choice to leave the shift work jobs, took a temporary pay cut, then moved up on my own accord to where I am now. It's the choice I made. Now, away from the union, only I am responsible for my performance, which is tied to my pay. I kick butt, I move up in pay and job. I screw up, my pay reflects that as well in the next review.

You all have a choice to do the same or continue on working the night shifts. If it's a pay cut or change, it's still a choice. You have to live with the quality of life you choose in the job of your choosing. Nobody is holding a shotgun to your head to stay doing what you're doing.

I'm just floored at the people who are trying to justify sleeping at work. There's just no excuse.

 

[Veritas]

Sorry for the accusation your post just hit me wrong. But if perks are ok for our management team how come there not ok for mechanics.

Perks for mechanics are perfectly fine, so long as they are negotiated and included in the CBA. Perhaps the mechanics should negotiate for rest periods, just as the pilots and flight attendants are entitled to take on long haul flights. There will be a trade off, though. Be careful what you ask for.

 

[FWAAA]

Perks for mechanics are perfectly fine, so long as they are negotiated and included in the CBA. Perhaps the mechanics should negotiate for rest periods, just as the pilots and flight attendants are entitled to take on long haul flights. There will be a trade off, though. Be careful what you ask for.

Exactly. For a work group that places so much importance on its written employment contract, I don't understand why permission to sleep on the clock when the work's all done is not among its many articles. I certainly wouldn't want to violate rules that could lead to my termination with my only hope of vindication being an argument that it was "customary" and routinely condoned by management. "Course of dealings" arguments don't have the certainty that written agreements have.

 

[jimntx]

Sorry for the accusation your post just hit me wrong. But if perks are ok for our management team how come there not ok for mechanics.

LIfe is not fair. Deal with it. Besides, the perks for management are written into their contract of employment. Sleeping on the job by any of us is not. In fact, the written policy is that it is a termination offense. It doesn't matter what you or I or anyone else thinks is "fair." It is written that sleeping on the job is a termination offense.

 

[TIME FOR CHANGE]

They are supposed to come out with a decision tomorrow.
When and if I find out I will post it.

Opinions are like A Holes everybody has one.

Lets see what happens to the LGA 8

😉

 

[WingNaPrayer]

Sorry for the accusation your post just hit me wrong. But if perks are ok for our management team how come there not ok for mechanics.

Please tell me you don't consider sleeping on the clock a 'perk' of the job!

As for the 'what's good for the goose is good for the gander' analogy, I agree!

 

[TWU informer]

At least 5 mechanics on the Tulsa Base have been walked out for sleeping on the job within the last 2 weeks.

 

[AMFAMAN]

At least 5 mechanics on the Tulsa Base have been walked out for sleeping on the job within the last 2 weeks.

Well historically speaking, large groups of terminations usually precede layoffs. :down:

 

[eolesen]

I don't know of any supervisor or manager who has the ability to sleep on the clock during a normal shift being in their contract, but go ahead, surprise me...

I do know SOC managers and dispatchers have the ability to go down to the basement bunkhouse for a catnap when they've been held on overtime beyond a certain threshold, but that's a pretty specific situation, and I don't think you can make the same argument on what these guys (LGA and TUL) have been busted for.

if perks are ok for our management team how come there not ok for mechanics.

Like it or not, the fact is shift work and salaried work have different conditions attached to them. What you consider a perk is another man's contractual (implied or written) benefit. You see the salaried guys getting some flexibility in one area or another, or incentive pay for what you see as them just doing their job, but they can't just punch out and go home after eight hours if crap is hitting the fan, and they rarely (if ever) get paid for time spent working above 10 hours a day. They also can't ignore a request to show up on a planned day off. Incentive pay? It means putting a percentage of your annual pay at risk. My incentive risk means if I don't perform or if the company doesn't perform, I stand to lose up to 30% of my annual compensation. What portion of your paycheck do you stand to risk if the company has a bad year?...

So, go ahead and focus on what the other guy gets that you don't get, or attack the poster instead of the topic...


Bob thinks that they should get off with a warning... When you're caught going 1 mph over the speed limit, the cop is well within his rights to issue the ticket. And I really don't expect a judge will buy into the argument about it being only 1 mph over the limit, or be sympathetic to the fact you've been able to ignore the posted speed limit for the past 20 years without ever being stopped....


The fact still remains that it's always been a terminable offense to sleep on the clock, and these guys got caught.

 

[DalMD88]

I just don't understand some of you. WE SLEEP WHEN THERE IS NOTHING LEFT TO DO! The planes are done. The crews are about to come onboard. We still have hours left on our shift to cover Line call outs. Our job at that point is to wait for a call. So what if the guy is sitting in a break room chair snoring. If he is needed he wakes up and goes out to find out what problem Capt Over has with his plane.

Give us a break we work mids because we have to. Many have been doing it for 20 or more years. Not just a couple of years while in college. Sure the higher time guys could hold seconds but you never see your kids so what's the point. Personally I've been on mids for 18 years. I'm by nature a night person. Even I find it hard at 4am, when THE WORK IS DONE, to stay fully awake.

This 8 hours of pay for 8 hours of work isn't our world. Sure in a factory it is. If you are a mechanic on a Overhaul Check yes, been there done that. For Line mechanics no. We are payed to be there and do the work that is assigned. There is very little busy work to fill in the time between the assigned work and the end of shift. Our equipment is put away and our work area is clean, and once again THE PLANES ARE DONE.

 

[QA4Jet-A]

I just don't understand some of you. WE SLEEP WHEN THERE IS NOTHING LEFT TO DO! The planes are done. The crews are about to come onboard. We still have hours left on our shift to cover Line call outs. Our job at that point is to wait for a call. So what if the guy is sitting in a break room chair snoring. If he is needed he wakes up and goes out to find out what problem Capt Over has with his plane.

Give us a break we work mids because we have to. Many have been doing it for 20 or more years. Not just a couple of years while in college. Sure the higher time guys could hold seconds but you never see your kids so what's the point. Personally I've been on mids for 18 years. I'm by nature a night person. Even I find it hard at 4am, when THE WORK IS DONE, to stay fully awake.

This 8 hours of pay for 8 hours of work isn't our world. Sure in a factory it is. If you are a mechanic on a Overhaul Check yes, been there done that. For Line mechanics no. We are payed to be there and do the work that is assigned. There is very little busy work to fill in the time between the assigned work and the end of shift. Our equipment is put away and our work area is clean, and once again THE PLANES ARE DONE.

I agree with you..... The only problem I have with, is a tech sleeping on a plane behind the hangar at 4am and you test the APU Fire Alarm and he doesn't wake up. To pose another side of the coin... say a tech is sent on a road trip, broken airplane @ an out station, on the clock while flying point A to point B, now on overtime. Getting paid the entire time flying and you can't take a nap then either according to some previous posts. What is the difference? If the work is done or you are on your way to do it and you catch 40 winks, more power to you when needed. Of course all the anti-sleeper people have never surfed the internet while in their 9-5 cubicle and always worked the entire 8 hours every day. Water cooler chit-chat included. Just my thoughts....

 

[WingNaPrayer]

WE SLEEP WHEN THERE IS NOTHING LEFT TO DO! The planes are done. Our equipment is put away and our work area is clean, and once again THE PLANES ARE DONE.

Then explain this to me; I can't tell you how many times I've gotten on a kick-off flight first thing in the morning, got myself all settled in and ready to go along with a plane load of passengers both front and back, only to have the captain come over the PA announcing that he is taking the plane out of service for a mechanical. And it happens a LOT.

So somewhere along that mid shift, the planes aren't getting done. Something was missed or perhaps rushed so the AMT could get to the nap sooner?

My point is, there is always something to do, even if it is nothing more than checking and double-checking.

 

[TIME FOR CHANGE]

Then explain this to me; I can't tell you how many times I've gotten on a kick-off flight first thing in the morning, got myself all settled in and ready to go along with a plane load of passengers both front and back, only to have the captain come over the PA announcing that he is taking the plane out of service for a mechanical. And it happens a LOT.

So somewhere along that mid shift, the planes aren't getting done. Something was missed or perhaps rushed so the AMT could get to the nap sooner?

My point is, there is always something to do, even if it is nothing more than checking and double-checking.

If we lived in a perfect world nothing would break.

I am sure you never drove your car home only to wake up with a dead battery. You should have checked that before you went to sleep.
😉

 

[WingNaPrayer]

If we lived in a perfect world nothing would break.

I am sure you never drove your car home only to wake up with a dead battery. You should have checked that before you went to sleep.
😉

Yep, and the AMTs should have checked everything on that plane before they went to sleep as well.

You walked right into that one!