Debate III.

[777 fixer]

So what.
You realize what happened here?
The man child had to look presidential and Val and Dave most likely pushed the issue for polling points and the General was toast.
That simple.
Aside from the General being stupid enough to think he could confide in an extreme left writer for Rolling Stone.

Who exactly are we talking about here? I'm talking about Gen(ret) Eric Shinseki who testified before the House Armed Services Comittee and said that several hundred thousand troops were needed to secure the country.

 

[777 fixer]

Guess it depends on what the mission is. Currently we have 287 ships, Navy has said it needs 313 to be able to do what it is tasked to do right now. Data I saw said it only had funds for 263 so currently we are losing some more. I know Enterprise is on its last cruise right now before decomissioning.

It'e replacement, CVN-78, is being built as we speak.

 

[777 fixer]

For defense? Absolutely. "Provide for the national defense" is pretty explicit in the Constitution.

Did it ever occur to you the military isn't asking for new planes or ships because they've resigned themselves to the fact it's not worth wasting their time as long as there's a pacifist party in control?

Most leaders of a pacifist party usually don't use flying robots to rain Hellfire missiles upon his nations enemies.

 

[delldude]

Who exactly are we talking about here? I'm talking about Gen(ret) Eric Shinseki who testified before the House Armed Services Comittee and said that several hundred thousand troops were needed to secure the country.

Who exactly are we talking about here? I'm talking about Gen(ret) Eric Shinseki who testified before the House Armed Services Comittee and said that several hundred thousand troops were needed to secure the country.

Stan McChrystal....BMF and a big boy besides. Has a pair of chuks with 4 stars on them.

 

[eolesen]

Most leaders of a pacifist party usually don't use flying robots to rain Hellfire missiles upon his nations enemies.

No, that's exactly the type of action I'd expect. One without risks. One where He could claim credit for appearing forceful while remaining at a safe distance.

That flying robot over our "safehouse" in Benghazi was *really* effective...

 

[Ms Tree]

No, that's exactly the type of action I'd expect. One without risks. One where He could claim credit for appearing forceful while remaining at a safe distance.

That flying robot over our "safehouse" in Benghazi was *really* effective...

You are right again. Obama would have been wiser to place troops needlessly at risk for ground actions even though alternatives were available. When are you going to volunteer to go over and shoot some bad guys?

 

[eolesen]

You are right again. Obama would have been wiser to place troops needlessly at risk for ground actions even though alternatives were available. When are you going to volunteer to go over and shoot some bad guys?

Yep, they sure had alternatives, right?

Looks more and more like the "do nothing and let the guys trapped die" alternative was the one they chose.

It's now coming out that CIA had people on the ground willing to go in, and they were told to stand down by Langley.

I'd enlist if they raise the maximum age to 50, but that's not going to happen anytime soon.

 

[700UW]

Obama's boys made issue of it not me. Has to look Presidential you know.
How many Generals in history dissed the boss and went on their merry way?
You got all all the military experience and don't know what happens when you step on toes right or wrong?

MacArthur.

 

[777 fixer]

MacArthur.

Who should have been court martialed but was very good at self promotion. Along with being lucky enough as having been chosen to be the hero that America desperately needed by the powers that be.

 

[777 fixer]

No, that's exactly the type of action I'd expect. One without risks. One where He could claim credit for appearing forceful while remaining at a safe distance.

That flying robot over our "safehouse" in Benghazi was *really* effective...

So you would rather have aircraft manned by crews and/or special ops putting their lives on the line to perform a mission that could be accomplished by a drone?

 

[777 fixer]

I'd enlist if they raise the maximum age to 50, but that's not going to happen anytime soon.

A rather safe claim to make since you know it will never happen. Besides, aside from fintness issues there are other reasons why the military has age standards.

 

[southwind]

So you would rather have aircraft manned by crews and/or special ops putting their lives on the line to perform a mission that could be accomplished by a drone?

Last time I checked, the mission in Benghazi, was a failure !

 

[Glenn Quagmire]

So you would rather have aircraft manned by crews and/or special ops putting their lives on the line to perform a mission that could be accomplished by a drone?

Forget it 777. If it was anyone other than a President Obama that had done that he would be on here saying how it was a brilliant and shrewd move.

 

[Glenn Quagmire]

Last time I checked, the mission in Benghazi, was a failure !

"Benghazi, Libya (CNN) -- Ten days after four Americans were killed in their Libyan city, hundreds marched in Benghazi and took over the headquarters of a radical Islamist group tied to the attack."

"Responding to the report from Benghazi, U.S. Sen. John McCain applauded the citizens' efforts Friday and said it represented the true, freedom-loving Libya that he and other U.S. officials involved in the country knew.
"Somewhere Chris Stevens is smiling," the Arizona Republican said. "This is what we knew ... about Libya."

http://www.cnn.com/2012/09/21/world/africa/libya-benghazi-counter-protest/index.html

 

[Ms Tree]

I'd enlist if they raise the maximum age to 50, but that's not going to happen anytime soon.

You mean now that you see it as more honorable than being say OH... a bus boy or gas station attendant? Spoken like a chicken hawk with out principles. Emphasis on the chicken.