Delta - U.S. Airways Slot Swap Poll

[ChockJockey]

See this article for the status and details of the agreement:

http://onforb.es/qX9qM3

 

[nycbusdriver]

AS long as US Airways is afraid to compete in New York City (at any of the airports,) then they might as well curl their tail between their legs and scamper off whining (as they often do when faced with competition.) They have the LOWEST labor costs of any other carrier at LGA, yet they can't seem to make things work at the city's most popular airport.

Question: Why is that?

Answer: Tempe is incompetent.

Time was when US Airways operated packed flights to BDA out of LGA every day. Sadly, a hurricane hit BDA, so logically the thing to do was cancel the flights until BDA recovered. The Bermuda government, being no slouches, had things back to normal in about 60 days. How many years ago was that? Where are those flights?

Time was when US Airways operated packed flights to MSY out of LGA every day. Sadly, a hurricane hit MSY, so logically the thing to do was cancel the flights until MSY recovered. Within 6 months, the MSY airport was back in full swing. Within a year, business and leisure travel to MSY was mostly back to normal. How many years ago was that? Where are those flights?

US Airways REFUSES to fly mainline aircraft non-stop to anywhere from LGA except the CLT hub and the shuttle cities, BOS and DCA. Other carriers with labor costs far in excess of LCC manage to do those non-stops to other cities within the perimeter rule and make money.

Question: Why is that?

Answer: Tempe is incompetent.

Given the obvious fact that Tempe cannot figure out how to make money in the worlds most lucrative market at the area's most popular airport, then I guess LCC might just as well give up those slots...then watch Delta, with significantly higher labor costs, cash in on the added presence it will give them. Congratulations to Delta; they certainly pulled a fast one over on LCC....not that it is a very difficult thing to do.

Now, let's sit back and watch US Airways squander away the slot advantage they will have at DCA. And they will. No question. It's the only modus operandi they know.

 

[Travelpro72]

In the new series ASK THE EXPERT Andrew Nocella is asked about the DL/US slot swap and his reasoning behind why US can't make it work in LGA is laughable at best. Not in his exact words, he said US can't compete as there is no long haul for US out of LGA. He said DL, CO AA and Jetblue (code?) have big operations in JFK so they aren't affected like US locked in LGA. SO.... he can't fill MAINLINE seats profitably out of LGA to cities like MCI, MSY, IND, MIA, FLL, MCO, ATL, RDU, etc? I'm still convinced in that if you can't make it in NYC there is something wrong. As Frankie said, "If I can make it there I'll make it anywhere, It's up to YOU New York New Yorrrrrrrrk". It's done, over and will be done. Great job! ! ! 🙁

 

[Art at ISP]

"He said DL, CO AA and Jetblue (code?) have big operations in JFK so they aren't affected like US locked in LGA. "

I hate to clue Andrew in, but CO has ZERO flights out of JFK, as in NONE. UA has transcons and IAD only. Oh and Jet Blue is B6 if that helps.

What the other airlines have that US does not is respect for their customers and their front line employees...therefore the only loyal customers US has left are for the most part those held captive in hub cities such as CLT and PHL.

As for nycbusdriver's comments I could not agree more. Spot on sir.

 

[NoYellowNeck]

AS long as US Airways is afraid to compete in New York City (at any of the airports,) then they might as well curl their tail between their legs and scamper off whining (as they often do when faced with competition.) They have the LOWEST labor costs of any other carrier at LGA, yet they can't seem to make things work at the city's most popular airport.

Question: Why is that?

Answer: Tempe is incompetent.

Time was when US Airways operated packed flights to BDA out of LGA every day. Sadly, a hurricane hit BDA, so logically the thing to do was cancel the flights until BDA recovered. The Bermuda government, being no slouches, had things back to normal in about 60 days. How many years ago was that? Where are those flights?

Time was when US Airways operated packed flights to MSY out of LGA every day. Sadly, a hurricane hit MSY, so logically the thing to do was cancel the flights until MSY recovered. Within 6 months, the MSY airport was back in full swing. Within a year, business and leisure travel to MSY was mostly back to normal. How many years ago was that? Where are those flights?

US Airways REFUSES to fly mainline aircraft non-stop to anywhere from LGA except the CLT hub and the shuttle cities, BOS and DCA. Other carriers with labor costs far in excess of LCC manage to do those non-stops to other cities within the perimeter rule and make money.

Question: Why is that?

Answer: Tempe is incompetent.

Given the obvious fact that Tempe cannot figure out how to make money in the worlds most lucrative market at the area's most popular airport, then I guess LCC might just as well give up those slots...then watch Delta, with significantly higher labor costs, cash in on the added presence it will give them. Congratulations to Delta; they certainly pulled a fast one over on LCC....not that it is a very difficult thing to do.

Now, let's sit back and watch US Airways squander away the slot advantage they will have at DCA. And they will. No question. It's the only modus operandi they know.

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[Alfa1900CSS]

AS long as US Airways is afraid to compete in New York City (at any of the airports,) then they might as well curl their tail between their legs and scamper off whining (as they often do when faced with competition.) They have the LOWEST labor costs of any other carrier at LGA, yet they can't seem to make things work at the city's most popular airport.

Question: Why is that?

Answer: Tempe is incompetent.

Time was when US Airways operated packed flights to BDA out of LGA every day. Sadly, a hurricane hit BDA, so logically the thing to do was cancel the flights until BDA recovered. The Bermuda government, being no slouches, had things back to normal in about 60 days. How many years ago was that? Where are those flights?

Time was when US Airways operated packed flights to MSY out of LGA every day. Sadly, a hurricane hit MSY, so logically the thing to do was cancel the flights until MSY recovered. Within 6 months, the MSY airport was back in full swing. Within a year, business and leisure travel to MSY was mostly back to normal. How many years ago was that? Where are those flights?

US Airways REFUSES to fly mainline aircraft non-stop to anywhere from LGA except the CLT hub and the shuttle cities, BOS and DCA. Other carriers with labor costs far in excess of LCC manage to do those non-stops to other cities within the perimeter rule and make money.

Question: Why is that?

Answer: Tempe is incompetent.

Given the obvious fact that Tempe cannot figure out how to make money in the worlds most lucrative market at the area's most popular airport, then I guess LCC might just as well give up those slots...then watch Delta, with significantly higher labor costs, cash in on the added presence it will give them. Congratulations to Delta; they certainly pulled a fast one over on LCC....not that it is a very difficult thing to do.

Now, let's sit back and watch US Airways squander away the slot advantage they will have at DCA. And they will. No question. It's the only modus operandi they know.

I believe Mr. Parker already has addressed this numerous times. In simple terms, it's because we can't fly international out of LGA. In DC our passengers can get to use the Star Alliance connection with United out of a perimeter airport. I have two advanced business degrees and don't pretend to be close to Parker when it comes to business savvy. Running a major airline is not as simple as you may think. If you are foolish enough to buy into USAPAs lies and promises then don't even try to understand strategic planning. I suggest you stick to driving buses on autopilot.

 

[Art at ISP]

Actually, nycbusdriver's comments are spot on, USAPA or not. US can't compete at LGA because they eliminated almost all point to point mainline flying, and customers left for other carriers. With the exception of CLT and the shuttle, US is nothing more than an express operation at LGA. They had many chances to make it work, and consistently made bad decisions there.

Current management can't see anything which doesn't appear on a spreadsheet. They treat both employees and customers as liabilities rather than assets, and consistently step over dollar bills to pick up pennies. They have no credibility with front line employees or with most frequent travelers. Doug and Scott have often made disparaging remarks about high level elite flyers at "Town Hall" meetings, and their intentions are obvious...most of what is left of their higher yielding elites are captive to CLT or PHL, and to a lesser degree DCA. They reap what they sow. If it were not for the ancillary fees which they lead the field in, they would not be a profitable company.

The slot swap will be a windfall for DL at LGA, as it will offer point to point travel on large aircraft, not just limited to CVG and ATL. I am not sure that US will see as much benefit at DCA.

 

[Travelpro72]

The casual observer knows it's a stupid decision. The majority of employees on the east coast know it's a stupid decision. The powers that be believe it to be a good decision so it must be a good decision. See how that works. They have NO airplanes to expand anywhere so even if they wanted to stay and battle it out in LGA they don't have the equipment besides lawn darts and flying lawn mowers. Watch what they do to DCA. Oh you'll see dual class service to new cities but how much will be mainline. Just watch the DCA focus city (Republic hub) and get back to me in a year. 🙄

 

[FlyUs]

AS long as US Airways is afraid to compete in New York City (at any of the airports,) then they might as well curl their tail between their legs and scamper off whining (as they often do when faced with competition.) They have the LOWEST labor costs of any other carrier at LGA, yet they can't seem to make things work at the city's most popular airport.

Question: Why is that?

Answer: Tempe is incompetent.

Time was when US Airways operated packed flights to BDA out of LGA every day. Sadly, a hurricane hit BDA, so logically the thing to do was cancel the flights until BDA recovered. The Bermuda government, being no slouches, had things back to normal in about 60 days. How many years ago was that? Where are those flights?

Time was when US Airways operated packed flights to MSY out of LGA every day. Sadly, a hurricane hit MSY, so logically the thing to do was cancel the flights until MSY recovered. Within 6 months, the MSY airport was back in full swing. Within a year, business and leisure travel to MSY was mostly back to normal. How many years ago was that? Where are those flights?

US Airways REFUSES to fly mainline aircraft non-stop to anywhere from LGA except the CLT hub and the shuttle cities, BOS and DCA. Other carriers with labor costs far in excess of LCC manage to do those non-stops to other cities within the perimeter rule and make money.

Question: Why is that?

Answer: Tempe is incompetent.

Given the obvious fact that Tempe cannot figure out how to make money in the worlds most lucrative market at the area's most popular airport, then I guess LCC might just as well give up those slots...then watch Delta, with significantly higher labor costs, cash in on the added presence it will give them. Congratulations to Delta; they certainly pulled a fast one over on LCC....not that it is a very difficult thing to do.

Now, let's sit back and watch US Airways squander away the slot advantage they will have at DCA. And they will. No question. It's the only modus operandi they know.

Ditto for Boston

 

[Art at ISP]

Ditto for just about every non hub city where they were once a force to be reckoned with...and then there's PIT.

 

[robbedagain]

bos to fra back in the 90s given to nw who used a DC-10 and flew BOS-AMS we made profit on that BOS FRA as well as BOS to FLA markets

 

[dash8roa]

Any idea where US will use those dc slots?I have not heard anything as to were these new flights will be going.They already have quite a few flights from dca,will they add more flights to existing cities or new cities.
Also,what happens to the dash's that will be pulled from lga,no new small cities have been added and the pdt fleet is getting pretty old.I think 906 and 907 are near the cycle limit.I cannot believe US will pour big money into this aging fleet.
Just a few questions seeking answers.

 

[Art at ISP]

When the swap was first announced in its original form, they announced in our local paper that we would see ISP-DCA. I am not sure if that is still on the table, but it would be nice--in something other than a Dash please....

 

[SparrowHawk]

When the swap was first announced in its original form, they announced in our local paper that we would see ISP-DCA. I am not sure if that is still on the table, but it would be nice--in something other than a Dash please....

Ahhh Now Art,

Don't be Dissing the Dash Dude!

There isn't a better low tech third world chicken and pig hauler out there.

Personally I think they should make the pilots wear leather helmets and silk scarves when they fly!

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Heck there aren't that many left, you could name them after WWI & WWII aces as part of US's Marketing plan. Oh wait, no marketing plan Silly me I forgot. But you could still name them. Can't you just hear the boarding announcement.

"Ladies and Gentlemen we will begin boarding the Gregory "Pappy" Boyington Dash-8 with non stop service to LaGuardia in just a few moments" etc etc etc blah blah.

 

[robbedagain]

now thats funny sparrowhawk may be a new paint scheme remenants to the F-4 Corsairs Pappy Boyington flew!