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Dip Financing

Not necessarily. AA had DIP lenders lined up in April, 2003, yet didn't file. DL may very well file for Ch 11 protection, but this development isn't proof that it will.

My gut feeling/prediction is that DL will file by the end of September.
 
Google the news articles prior to the point at which the pilots voted for the latest contract. DIP financing was arrainged then as well.

This is part of the dance. You do not go to unions, debtor committees, and employees, hat in hand without having the bankruptcy paperwork in your back pocket.
 
artiefufkin said:
"This is part of the dance. You do not go to unions, debtor committees, and employees, hat in hand without having the bankruptcy paperwork in your back pocket."

Yes indeed, arranging DIP lending might well be "part of the dance" . . . but with oil at $67/bbl and the potential for rapid Congressional action on the pension front fading, its uncertain what Delta's dance partners could offer. At least inside bankruptcy, the fleet, its financing and the rest of the capital structure could be subjected to a quick restructure -- no dancing necessary -- and the DALPA contract (including those devilish scope provisions that impede productivity) could be modified almost by fiat. Of course, word leaked out strategically that the airline was canvassing the Street for DIP lending might well drive some of the players to concession bargaining, but will that really be enough and can the threat of a filing alone get all of these things done quickly?
 
Actually Delta may have a very difficult time obtaining any DIP financing this time around. Delta exectuives have been quoted in the press as saying that Chapter 11 may not be an option for the airline. With little if any unencumbered assets left to obtain the significant amounts of money required to operate within Chapter 11 bankruptcy protection, I suspect they will be paying "loan shark" rates if they can find anything at all. A quote from a marketwatch article a few months ago.......

http://www.marketwatch.com/news/story.asp?...rden=&minisite=

“In a most ominous statement, Delta warned that restructuring under Chapter 11 would be 'particularly difficult' because it lacks sufficient unencumbered assets for a meaningful DIP loan," wrote King. "That introduces the specter of liquidation over credit."
 
All the lenders and lessors should demand that this POS airline liquidate.
 
WNrforlife said:
All the lenders and lessors should demand that this POS airline liquidate.
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It appears Fish has found his only friend.
 
No parole WN-er,
you'll find out in time that WN's business model isn't quite as solid as you think or have been led to believe. Remember that any growth WN takes on will be at CURRENT fuel prices because the hedges cannot be grown. WN told the world in their last SEC filing that they wouldn't have been profitable at current fuel prices.
So what makes the WN POS any better than DL POS?

ualdriver,
I know you are salivating but we could dredge up all kinds of articles where supposed experts buried UAL years ago and yet they are still here. So is it possible that the same fortitude to stay alive that UAL managed to cough up could actually surface for DL as well? Or is it that DL has painted the bleakest possible picture so no one would have any doubts as to worst case scenario while UA has repeatedly said they would emerge from bankruptcy but yet has failed to do just that?
Perhaps we should all hold our ballots on each of these carriers until it becomes apparent who the clear winners are or whether the whole lot will disintegrate into oblivion. At this point either possibility seems about equally plausible.
 
I'm not salivating about anything. I have friends at Delta and more importantly, I do not wish any Delta employee ill will whether I know them personally or not. I guess one could even speculate that my fellow professionals at Delta may be future co-workers. Who knows? Besides, a strong, lean Delta helps keep Jet Blue and AirTran in check.

I have no doubt that Delta will find some money under a rock or in an alley somewhere in New York. I'm just wondering what kind of interest rates they'll be paying......
 
ualdriver said:
I have no doubt that Delta will find some money under a rock or in an alley somewhere in New York. I'm just wondering what kind of interest rates they'll be paying......
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USAIR and UAL are still going arent they?
 
My position apparently squares with the CEO's thinking. He sold ASA in an attempt to stay out of Chapter 11. He is obtaining DIP financing for the coming showdown with DALPA over further concessions, and on the small chance that pension reform will not pass.

Meanwhile, the Transformation plan continues to deliver, Delta moves capacity to higher yielding Intl markets, Flyi and US Airways continue to cut capacity.
 
After reading the 10-Q today, I can see why DL hasn't demanded further wage concessions from the pilots (and simply imposed them on everyone else):

Any cost savings from lower wages will be offset by the larger required pension contributions resulting from even larger number of pilot early retirements. Unless DL can agree with DALPA on a mechanism to dissuade pilots from exercising their early retirement rights.

A 20% paycut would save about $260 million per quarter, but it looks (in the absence of a change to the early retirement provisions) like DL might owe that $260 million to its pilot retirement plan by the end of the year if pilot retirements continue to increase. Some 1,200 additional pilots are eligible for early retirement and over 600 have retired so far this year.

Tough situation. Gotta cut costs to conserve cash, but that ain't always easy.
 
TheDog2004 said:
WNforlife has been boardsh*tting on this board for some time.
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I think he is refering to his own airline "POS"
 

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