DL orders (up to) 70 CRJ-900's

[Kev3188]

Looks like 40 firm orders, and options on another 30...

http://www.marketwire.com/press-release/delta-air-lines-orders-up-to-70-bombardier-crj900-nextgen-jetliners-tsx-bbd.a-1734469.htm

I would've preferred E75's, but here we are...

 

[FWAAA]

I prefer the Embraers as well, but I suspect that it's all about price. WT posted recently that Bombardier's order book was getting thin and that it might make some great deals to get orders, and I suspect that's exactly what happened.

 

[WorldTraveler]

I would've preferred E75's, but here we are...

we agree 100% on this..... not surprised but was hoping for better.

Guess they were giving good deals to keep the assembly line open; maybe they've developed a recycling program for the original build CRJs.

 

[737823]

Looks like 40 firm orders, and options on another 30...

http://www.marketwire.com/press-release/delta-air-lines-orders-up-to-70-bombardier-crj900-nextgen-jetliners-tsx-bbd.a-1734469.htm

I would've preferred E75's, but here we are...

Kev, from a rampers perspective is E170/175 as desirable as M/L equipment (in terms of ease of loading and operating-scope concerns aside)? I think I read the E-Jet pit has nearly as wide doors as M/L but shorter and narrower inside. Did you say the A320 family is your favorite to work and don't like the MDs and 737s?

Josh

 

[Kev3188]

I would say it's closer (and certainly more desirable) to M/L than the CRJ-900's. The E75's basically look like an A320 that was left in the dryer too long, and the bin space reflects that. Wide door, but shorter both length and height-wise...

The other advantage- and it ties in w/the passenger experience- is that there generally is little to no need to gate check carry on bags like there is w/a CRJ. Doesn't seem like a deal breaker until you realize that a 76 seat plane may have anywhere from 35-60 of them... The are other factors as well, but from my vantage point, the E75 is easier to work and plan for man power-wise.

The A320 is absolutely my favorite NB to work. Hands-down the most "ramper friendly" plane out there, IMO.

 

[yoyodyne]

I would say it's closer (and certainly more desirable) to M/L than the CRJ-900's. The E75's basically look like an A320 that was left in the dryer too long, and the bin space reflects that. Wide door, but shorter both length and height-wise...

The other advantage- and it ties in w/the passenger experience- is that there generally is little to no need to gate check carry on bags like there is w/a CRJ. Doesn't seem like a deal breaker until you realize that a 76 seat plane may have anywhere from 35-60 of them... The are other factors as well, but from my vantage point, the E75 is easier to work and plan for man power-wise.

The A320 is absolutely my favorite NB to work. Hands-down the most "ramper friendly" plane out there, IMO.

I'm sorry Kev, but the friendliest NB to work are the 757, and the now gone 727 🙂

 

[WorldTraveler]

Bombardier says the CRJ900 NextGen has the same 10" overhead bin opening as the Ejets but on only one side of the aircraft.
But I think you'll find that you have to check less bags than w/ the current CRJs, even the 900s.

http://crjnextgen.com/en/#/crj/comfort/largeroverheadbins/

http://www.embraercommercialjets.com/img//download/137.pdf

 

[Kev3188]

I'm sorry Kev, but the friendliest NB to work are the 757, and the now gone 727 🙂

With a magic carpet? Maybe. Otherwise, not so much. 🙂

727 was great, except for the nose gear...

 

[yoyodyne]

Bombardier says the CRJ900 NextGen has the same 10" overhead bin opening as the Ejets but on only one side of the aircraft.
But I think you'll find that you have to check less bags than w/ the current CRJs, even the 900s.

WT I have to agree with Kev, the CRJ's suck (no matter what version of aircraft), the ERJ's are better.
As a side note, the Q400 is pretty nice to work with.

 

[WorldTraveler]

have you worked a NextGen RJ? I haven't been on one but apparently there are some w/ DCI.

Doesn't change my preference and I doubt it would either of you, but they have improved the aircraft some....

and it still comes down to cost... it is a T tail which is lighter due to a lighter wing (lower fuel burn) and DL loves T tails. And Bombardier was willing to take back 60 of the older CRJs. Still leaves a lot to get rid of... but it is a start.

As a passenger, the CR9 has the highest percentage of FC in the fleet....

 

[yoyodyne]

With a magic carpet? Maybe. Otherwise, not so much. 🙂

727 was great, except for the nose gear...

Agree on the carpet, but I still prefer them over airbus.

 

[737823]

have you worked a NextGen RJ? I haven't been on one but apparently there are some w/ DCI.

Doesn't change my preference and I doubt it would either of you, but they have improved the aircraft some....

and it still comes down to cost... it is a T tail which is lighter due to a lighter wing (lower fuel burn) and DL loves T tails. And Bombardier was willing to take back 60 of the older CRJs. Still leaves a lot to get rid of... but it is a start.

As a passenger, the CR9 has the highest percentage of FC in the fleet....

I took one BOS-JFK earlier this year before it transitioned back to M/L and it wasn't bad for a 45 minute flight. The plane side valet is no fun though especially for such a short flight and when people have tight international connections and are anxious to get to their flights.

Josh

 

[Airlinelifer]

With a magic carpet? Maybe. Otherwise, not so much. 🙂

727 was great, except for the nose gear...

I agree with you Kev, the A319/320 are the easiest of all narrowbodies to work. With the inner bin nets up and a light load, you don't need anyone else in the bin. From the ground power hookup to the air conditioning, the Airbus is more worker friendly. Why would Boeing put a galley drain right next to the air conditioning service panel. Or for the older models, put the rear lav service panel under the aircraft!

The 757 with no rear carpet (majority of DL 757's) is a pain, with carpets (majority NW 757's) no problem. Why would Boeing put a galley drain right next to the air conditioning service panel? Or for the older model 757's (NW), the rear lav service panel are under the aircraft forward of the rear cargo door!

The 737-800 (carpets removed) and the (737-900 on order with no carpets), a mew longer bowing alley.
And yes I understand the fuel savings by not installing the carpets because of the extra weight, but jeez, it's going to be a b*tch to work.

MD88/90/DC 9/B717 not fun to load when you have them flying to JFK with international bags (MD88/90), small space, very large bags.

You have to wear a helmet when your working the CRJ 900 with those funky forward bins with the slides built in.
The old BAe/Avro jets, now thats a whole other story.

 

[WorldTraveler]

let's not forget that the DC9 and Boeing narrowbody family are based on the same airframe that was used in the earliest days of the jet age.

Airbus should have a better product.

But let's also not forget that DC9s are being retired only because the engine technology, not the airframe, has brought the aircraft to the end of its viable life. The fact that DL is holding onto MD80s when most other global airlines have all but ditched them already says that DL can figure out how to properly use even older, less-fuel efficient aircraft and avoid the expense of buying newer aircraft.

Brand new and latest technology isn't always the best way to get the job done.

 

[Kev3188]

I agree with you Kev, the A319/320 are the easiest of all narrowbodies to work. With the inner bin nets up and a light load, you don't need anyone else in the bin. From the ground power hookup to the air conditioning, the Airbus is more worker friendly. Why would Boeing put a galley drain right next to the air conditioning service panel. Or for the older models, put the rear lav service panel under the aircraft!

The 757 with no rear carpet (majority of DL 757's) is a pain, with carpets (majority NW 757's) no problem. Why would Boeing put a galley drain right next to the air conditioning service panel? Or for the older model 757's (NW), the rear lav service panel are under the aircraft forward of the rear cargo door!

The 737-800 (carpets removed) and the (737-900 on order with no carpets), a mew longer bowing alley.
And yes I understand the fuel savings by not installing the carpets because of the extra weight, but jeez, it's going to be a b*tch to work.

MD88/90/DC 9/B717 not fun to load when you have them flying to JFK with international bags (MD88/90), small space, very large bags.

You have to wear a helmet when your working the CRJ 900 with those funky forward bins with the slides built in.
The old BAe/Avro jets, now thats a whole other story.

Dead on all around...

As for the Avros? Nothing says fun like having to back a belt in and then run it in reverse. Good thing I'm not tall... Lol.