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DL to suspend SEA-HND Flights

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WorldTraveler said:
and even 3 additional longhaul DL/VS routes from LHR is nothing to sneeze at.

and if an A310 couldn't make CLE or DTW to LGW, dawg, how it is that aircraft in any way even remotely comparable to a 767? There isn't a point in the continental US that a 763ER can't make from LGW or LGW.
 
Interesting if DL adds just a tiny 3 flights in a market it's nothing to sneeze at - if others add some flights to a market it's a mistake - wow - how do you come up with this stuff - what meds produce these type of comments - the DL prescription coverage must rock
 
first, it is 3 additional NEW routes, not just 3 flights

second, DL already is authorized to service SEA-HND.

the requirement is that if they don't service the route for 90 days, it becomes dormant and can be reassigned to another carrier.

BTW, the flight will operate for a week in November and then another week in February and then a few flights in March and will be a daily schedule in April

it won't go dormamt
 
Bless your heart,
 
Keep up the daily affirmations - Hail to DL, Hail to DL, Hail to DL
 
So let me get this is AA does that on some of it's TATL is that OK - or a sign of weaknesses?
 
Do you ever max out your prescription drug coverage?
 
jcw said:
 - wow - how do you come up with this stuff -
 

It's a sad little world where he/she sits on a computer 24/7 degrading any airline that has the audacity to compete against DL.  Only sad thing is that airliners.net had the good sense to ban him, wish this forum would do the same.

 
 
ok so dl wont do the sea hnd run in dec nor jan   that seems to be dormant for most of nov thru the time it picks up 1 week in feb
 
If AA wants to fly to HND so badly, why did they give up their JFK to HND route?  I was really surprised they didn't keep until at least after the merger to see if it might work then.
 
CLTRob said:
If AA wants to fly to HND so badly, why did they give up their JFK to HND route?  I was really surprised they didn't keep until at least after the merger to see if it might work then.
agreed
 
Bless your heart,

Keep up the daily affirmations - Hail to DL, Hail to DL, Hail to DL

So let me get this is AA does that on some of it's TATL is that OK - or a sign of weaknesses?

Do you ever max out your prescription drug coverage?
forgive me for being blunt but are you really this dense in real life?

honestly, I have only said about 16,000 times that it is GOOD that AA is finally cutting capacity and not throwing capacity into markets where it isn't warranted.

in fact, after MAH and others have touted all of the growth that AA is doing to Europe, I verified that is a fact that AA is actually cutting its schedule this winter deeper than it has done before - both for PMAA and PMUS networks.

I didn't condemn them but instead have noted that Parker is turning AA's TATL network into one that is far more seasonal than what PMAA did - and a whole lot more like what US did. DL's TATL network - the most profitable of the US carriers - has a difference of 65% between summer and winter capacity.


All DL is doing with SEA-HND is adding seasonality to a route that is part of a route award but yet in the DOT's orders is not required to be served on a daily basis.

The DOT requirements do not prohibit operating a route under an award with seasonality.

AA is finding that its network needs to be a whole lot more seasonal that it is right now.

DL is doing with SEA-HND what it has done with its European network - and doing it compeltely within what the DOT required in the route award.
 
If AA wants to fly to HND so badly, why did they give up their JFK to HND route?  I was really surprised they didn't keep until at least after the merger to see if it might work then.
exactly.

the problem with AA's request is that not once but twice they argued that their HND route should be transferred to LAX, the only US city that already has two HND routes - one by DL and the other by NH. and they are now trying yet a third time to make the same argument.

If AA could figure out how to make the route work someplace on their network, they not only would have been able to transfer the JFK-HND route to another city but very well could win a challenge in DL's SEA-HND case - if DL ever does not meet the DOT requirements for level of service.

But AA keeps trying to add the same route that is already served while failing to come up with any creative answer beyond what they proposed years ago.

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so, no, what AA is doing with Europe by reducing winter capacity is completely different from what they are doing on the Pacific.
 
WT

Are you dense - do you ever read your posts

Keep up the daily affirmations

How is that prescription drug plan
 
yes, I do read them.

it is rather obvious that you seem to think that the problem is mine because you don't like what I have to say.

truth is truth whether I or anyone else tells you.
 
CLTRob said:
If AA wants to fly to HND so badly, why did they give up their JFK to HND route?  I was really surprised they didn't keep until at least after the merger to see if it might work then.
http://aviationblog.dallasnews.com/2013/10/american-airlines-to-cancel-new-york-tokyo-haneda-service.html/

The HND termination was announced last October the day DFW-HKG/PVG were announced. I fail to see how the merger would change anything-USAIR has zero presence in Asia it's not like having additional feed would make a flight catered towards NYC-TYO traffic go over any better. I took the flight several times and found it to be convenient but it's no surprise AA has suspended it several times and ultimately terminated it. It would regularly go out with fewer than 100 pax.

Josh
 
More Delta international flight cuts:
 
DL ATL-BCN MAY 0.5>0
DL ATL-DUB MAR 0.8>0.1
DL ATL-DXB FEB 1.0>0.9
*DL ATL-MAN MAR 0.8>0.6 APR 1.0>0 MAY 1.0>0 JUN 1.0>0
*DL ATL-MXP MAY 0.3>0 JUN 1.0>0.5
DL ATL-SJD DEC 0.5>0.4 JAN 1.0>0.7 FEB 1.0>0.9
*DL ATL-VCE MAY 0.3>0 JUN 1.0>0.5
DL BOS-AMS MAY 1.5>1.3
DL BOS-LHR JAN 0.9>0.7
*DL DTW-LHR MAR 1.1>1.0 APR 2>1.0 MAY 2>1.0 JUN 2>1.0
DL DTW-SCE JAN 1.8>1.1 FEB 1.8>1.0
DL DTW-SJD JAN 0.4>0.1 FEB 0.6>0.3
DL HNL-FUK MAR 0.7>1.0
DL HNL-NGO MAR 0.7>0.9
*DL JFK-AGP MAY 0.3>0
DL JFK-CPH MAY 0.5>0.3
DL JFK-IST JUN 1.0>0.5
DL JFK-KEF MAY 0.5>1.0
*DL JFK-PRG MAY 0.3>0
*DL JFK-PSA MAY 0.2>0
DL JFK-ZRH FEB 1.0>0.9
DL MSP-SJD JAN 1.1>0.7 FEB 1.1>0.9 MAR 1.1>1.0
*DL MSP-SXM FEB 0>0.1 MAR 0>0.1
*DL SAN-SJD DEC 0.4>0 JAN 1.0>0 FEB 1.0>0.5
DL SLC-YYC FEB 1.5>1.0 MAR 1.8>1.0
 
yes, we know you read a.net.

these are standard weekly changes that are often changed.

here is a little primer on airline profitability across the Atlantic.

DL generates year around profits; the others, not so much.

http://www.transtats.bts.gov/Data_Elements_Financial.aspx?Data=6

actually, not at all for other carriers.

DL's track record for profitability over the Pacific is just as strong and long over the past two years
 
And that's why they said they arent profitable in NYC.
 
700UW said:
More Delta international flight cuts:
 
DL ATL-BCN MAY 0.5>0
DL ATL-DUB MAR 0.8>0.1
DL ATL-DXB FEB 1.0>0.9
*DL ATL-MAN MAR 0.8>0.6 APR 1.0>0 MAY 1.0>0 JUN 1.0>0
*DL ATL-MXP MAY 0.3>0 JUN 1.0>0.5
DL ATL-SJD DEC 0.5>0.4 JAN 1.0>0.7 FEB 1.0>0.9
*DL ATL-VCE MAY 0.3>0 JUN 1.0>0.5
DL BOS-AMS MAY 1.5>1.3
DL BOS-LHR JAN 0.9>0.7
*DL DTW-LHR MAR 1.1>1.0 APR 2>1.0 MAY 2>1.0 JUN 2>1.0
DL DTW-SCE JAN 1.8>1.1 FEB 1.8>1.0
DL DTW-SJD JAN 0.4>0.1 FEB 0.6>0.3
DL HNL-FUK MAR 0.7>1.0
DL HNL-NGO MAR 0.7>0.9
*DL JFK-AGP MAY 0.3>0
DL JFK-CPH MAY 0.5>0.3
DL JFK-IST JUN 1.0>0.5
DL JFK-KEF MAY 0.5>1.0
*DL JFK-PRG MAY 0.3>0
*DL JFK-PSA MAY 0.2>0
DL JFK-ZRH FEB 1.0>0.9
DL MSP-SJD JAN 1.1>0.7 FEB 1.1>0.9 MAR 1.1>1.0
*DL MSP-SXM FEB 0>0.1 MAR 0>0.1
*DL SAN-SJD DEC 0.4>0 JAN 1.0>0 FEB 1.0>0.5
DL SLC-YYC FEB 1.5>1.0 MAR 1.8>1.0
The topic is Tokyo-Haneda not routine schedule changes. And again why don't you provide proper attribution when you post things?

Josh
 
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