DL to suspend SEA-HND Flights

[jcw]

I don't know which of Dougie's supposed mental bodyguards you are but you are clearly taking all of this information about how AA is actually doing quite poorly.Since you brought up the SEA market, you do realize that AS carried less revenue per mile than DL - including in SEA.AS spinned it by saying they were able to use brand new 739ERs which burn as much fuel as older generation 737s - so all they did was use new airplanes to wait, flood the market with new seats, and push their revenue per seat mile down.Where was AA to help AS?they were throwing their new aircraft into Asia.and no, AA didn't increase its capacity to Asia by 10%.you can't read a financial statement so you really have no idea what the actual number is but it is clear that you can't find the percentage increase in AA's revenue on the Pacific so you just made a figure up.

Sorry your meds are off and you having trouble reading DL is down in Asia per their release and AA is up its clear in their releases

You can't spin it

Sorry dude no daily affirmation can over come the facts

How much steam is coming out of your ears

 

[WorldTraveler]

so where is the data that DL's revenue went down in SEA and that it lost money there?
 
where?
 
you just made it up, now didn't you.
 
someone is off their meds and it ain't me.
 
you can't stand the fact that DL has actually made logical strategic decisions that can be justified by facts. 
 
you indeed are steamed
 
all you need to produce is the numbers to back up your claims.

 

[jcw]

Little feisty this morning - let's see I'll go very slow for you as I know you struggle to follow along

DL throws a lot of capacity in SEA - biggest shift in DL network
Revenue up for new flying - you still able to keep up
Operating income down 47%

Stopped flights to Asia out of SEA

I know it's hard for you to get your head wrapped around the fact that DL trashed their operating income with their strategies

Sorry dude spin can't work here

Might want to go back to bed

 

[robbedagain]

Jcw you bro just like Frugal and E really have WT wrapped up u 3 own him he cant stand it when u post facts and notice how he reacts when he is not only shown to be wrong but actually proven to be wrong w ur facts

 

[jcw]

One more thing if SEA is a huge success list for us all the other strategies DL is executing to drive down operating income by 47%

Last I checked AA made more money than DL this quarter even if you try to cook the books adding both AA and DL one times back in - just in case you missed it AA made more money and DL drove operating income down by a huge amount it's not like it's down a couple % points its down 47% - can you say 47%

 

[WorldTraveler]

actually, DL's buildup of LGA was the biggest shift in its network; DL added 125 flights/day to LGA in far less time than they have built SEA.

So, no, your basic premise is wrong.

second, you can't provide any evidence whatsoever that DL is losing money or that their revenue has decreased.

DL has SEASONALLY altered the schedule for one flight from SEA to HND - DL has ALWAYS had seasonal adjustments to all the rest of its Pacific network.

DL's operating income was the highest not only of all US carriers but also higher than it was even a year ago.

No, DL trashed nothing.

you are grasping for something to throw at DL and coming up ignorant and short.

Provide the evidence that DL is worse off in SEA than they were before.

in the meantime, tell us how AA is going to deal with an 11.7% drop in revenue to Latin America.

for you to not understand how DL's operating income went down at this point in the conversation only proves that you are 1. dense. 2. don't want to hear the truth or 3. can't read financial statements or 4. all of the above.

let me repeat why DL's operating income went down:

it paid MORE profit sharing than ever before. AA didn't do it.

It allocated more money for taxes. AA didn't do it.

DL paid more to stockholders in dividends and stock buybacks than any other US airline.

DL took a restructuring charge for parking the 744 fleet over the next few years.

of any single item on the list, do you know the largest?

profit sharing

While you gloat about AA's higher profit which did nothing to help you, DL recorded over $300 million IN THIS QUARTER ALONE in profit sharing.

DL employees will earn more than enough in profit sharing this year to offset the difference in profits that AA reported.

just produce the numbers which you supposedly have to show that DL is worse off in SEA.

 

[jcw]

Oh my can you say down 47% can spin it

 

[robbedagain]

Only one who comes up short n ignorant is u WT Ill take jcw word as anyone elses word over ur anyday

 

[jcw]

Let me get this straight WT - you are now saying the trashing of operating margin is due to NY - guess that was a mistake

 

[700UW]

Hawaiian joins AA in urging DoT to revoke Delta's Haneda rights
 
http://www.ch-aviation.com/portal/news/31818-hawaiian-joins-aa-in-urging-dot-to-revoke-deltas-haneda-rights

 

[WorldTraveler]

good for HA but there is no more of a legal basis for DOT to revoke DL's authority than there was when it was just AA whining.

DL will operate the flight at least every 90 days and it will return to a daily schedule.

 

[topDawg]

good for HA but there is no more of a legal basis for DOT to revoke DL's authority than there was when it was just AA whining.

DL will operate the flight at least every 90 days and it will return to a daily schedule.

AA and HA are playing with fire here, IMHO. 
 
I'm not so sure I'd be pushing on rules like this. Never know when the shoe will be on the other foot...... 

 

[eolesen]

If AA and HA are playing with fire, what do you call DL's flaunting of the 90 day rule?

At the very least, when someone else is waiting in line to use a scarce resource, DOT should have the same latitude to enforce a tighter use-it-or-lose-it standard that DL was expecting Dallas to enforce.

Knowing you could lose a route when someone else wants it might force airlines to be a little more tactical when requesting a route authority. Then again, we can only hope that route authorities like this would simply go away, and that slots guarantees be left to market forces.

 

[WorldTraveler]

but they have to do the same thing to all players and they have to show why they are starting now.

they haven't done that.

and, no, there was nothing in DL's route award that says that they were not allowed to ever not operate on a less than daily basis.

 

[eolesen]

There was also nothing in DL's route award that said they could operate it once a month without risking losing it.

And there's certainly nothing in DL's application which indicated they might only operate one or two days per month, or on anything less than a daily basis year round.

But, you knew that already...

DOT doesn't really need to show why they would change their dormancy policy. They get to decide what is and isn't acting in the public's best interest.

And you knew that already, too.


I'm all for having a stricter definition of use-it-or-lose-it, be it gates, slots, or route authorities, and to see it enforced when someone else is ready to pick it up.

Letting someone simply squat on a scarce resource in order to cut their losses *and* eliminate the competition from trying to make use of it is hardly what I'd call fair.