Down Griffon
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i agree, rosco... hope everyone recovers very quickly... the photo doesn't show the tail of the bird but i hope it wasn't another TR snag... :unsure:
I read the article about the previous griffon crash and was just wondering if Bell had ever given an official report on the T/R cracking. I know the military guys are convinced it was a teeny tiny crack that caused it, but is Bell?
Just reading the statement from the military investigator who said that thousands of military and civilian aircraft were at risk makes me wonder if Bell is concerned at the very least.
Maybe cover-ups and conspiracy? 😱
Just reading the statement from the military investigator who said that thousands of military and civilian aircraft were at risk makes me wonder if Bell is concerned at the very least.
Maybe cover-ups and conspiracy? 😱
Another article on 412 T/R inspections.
412 T/R Blades
FYI I guess.....hope I'm not drowning you guys with news as I know this has been a complaint by some! 😱
Rotor Pilot seems to be out of the loop for a while.
R B)
412 T/R Blades
FYI I guess.....hope I'm not drowning you guys with news as I know this has been a complaint by some! 😱
Rotor Pilot seems to be out of the loop for a while.
R B)
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Supposedly a dual engine power loss to an autorotation. I heard it was from a hover but this is hearsay. Four of five are out of the hospital already.
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Hi all and twinstar_ca
After a few unpleasant posts I decided not to post any more links here. But if you ever need something about accidents, just go "South of the Border" and you find them there (well at least until another newbie start complaining about to many news)
http://www.verticalreference.com/VRForum/C...f=1;t=551;st=30
After a few unpleasant posts I decided not to post any more links here. But if you ever need something about accidents, just go "South of the Border" and you find them there (well at least until another newbie start complaining about to many news)
http://www.verticalreference.com/VRForum/C...f=1;t=551;st=30
RP,
Dude, most us (the majority) enjoyed having you post the news and relevant articles that you did post. I wont speak for everyone but......
COME BACK BUDDY, WE MISS Y'A 😀
Dont let a few get to you.
I hope all is well with y'a.
Cheers
R B)
Dude, most us (the majority) enjoyed having you post the news and relevant articles that you did post. I wont speak for everyone but......
COME BACK BUDDY, WE MISS Y'A 😀
Dont let a few get to you.
I hope all is well with y'a.
Cheers
R B)
The previous Griffon accident involving the tail rotor should be no reflection on the manufacturer. The 'teeny crack' propagated from a dent which was far beyond MM limits, and the blade had soot, grease and soap inside. Somebody isn't doing their maintenance. Again. That blade has over 20,000,000 hours in service, and has a solid record.
Take a look at a six year-old Griffy with 2000 hrs on it, then cast your eyes over a 20 year-old 212 with 20,000 from an operator like Alpine. If we don't put some money in to the military soon, so these guys can maintain their aircraft and their currency, we'll not have a military to talk about.
Take a look at a six year-old Griffy with 2000 hrs on it, then cast your eyes over a 20 year-old 212 with 20,000 from an operator like Alpine. If we don't put some money in to the military soon, so these guys can maintain their aircraft and their currency, we'll not have a military to talk about.
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i'm 100% behind rosco, RP... come on back and who gives a you know what about who ever b**ched over the news!!!! :angry:
the poll told the real story in my view...
the poll told the real story in my view...
nice to know our military themselves are putting the soldiers at risk (needlessly). I guess they really don't need new aircraft then huh, just better maintenance dollars. Can you imagine what our EH 101's and whatever new ship they buy will look like in a couple years.
It also goes to show you what can happen when you don't follow the manufactures recommended limits.
It also goes to show you what can happen when you don't follow the manufactures recommended limits.
Hi RP and Rosco, here's my humble opinion............If the news story is current and relevant to the Canadian Helicopter industry and is only a link (not the full story), I don't think most guys would object.
A full transcript of the latest R22 accident in Mozambique might be beyond this definition.
News stories in topics such as this one about the Griffon accident are very useful.
They provide information that is usually quite accurate. This forum has been known to wander into some incorrect and very disappointing speculation sometimes, usually when facts aren't available.
(RP, don't be too shy about coming back, lots of guys have sworn to never talk to us again, but they've all come back. We're all one big happy heli family here, a little dysfunctional like most families, but we love you anyway, even if there is a striking resemblence between your photo and Downwash's!!! Are you his Dad??).
A full transcript of the latest R22 accident in Mozambique might be beyond this definition.
News stories in topics such as this one about the Griffon accident are very useful.
They provide information that is usually quite accurate. This forum has been known to wander into some incorrect and very disappointing speculation sometimes, usually when facts aren't available.
(RP, don't be too shy about coming back, lots of guys have sworn to never talk to us again, but they've all come back. We're all one big happy heli family here, a little dysfunctional like most families, but we love you anyway, even if there is a striking resemblence between your photo and Downwash's!!! Are you his Dad??).
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The maintenance on military aircraft is generally very good. This particular instance was related to dirty blades thus preventing proper visual inspection. Silly way to learn that one must keep their gear clean but lesson learned and not soon to be forgotten.
We lost a Twin Huey (B212) in 1987 but that was a tail rotor yoke that cracked from metal fatigue and half the t/r departed the aircraft. Very bad deal, four dead.
As for the Cormorant, it's maintained by a civilian contractor as most of the routine maintenance on the Sea King replacement will likely be. Maintenance practices are often different between civilian life and DND but I for one have usually only been impressed by the wrenches on civvy street. I personally feel our military maintenance is labour intensive but that is not slag our boys, they work their buns off.
I am always amazed at how we (DND) manage to deploy something like a Sea King with eleven techs when our civilian peers will manage just as much flight ops with one or two AMEs? Once again, I'm just a driver and it perplexes me but both systems do work and I have great respect for anyone who fixes something I strap to my ponderous rear and take up into the wild blue.
Now for the latest Griffon in Goose. Apparently the aircraft was doing a hoist training scenario when they suddenly lost power and could not maintain flight. It appears, still speculative, that they simply fell out of their hover with the non flying pilot getting a distress call out to Goose tower. The only visible damage I have heard about so far is a cracked windshield but since it was a rather firm landing I would not be surprised to hear that the skids spread a bit :wacko:
We lost a Twin Huey (B212) in 1987 but that was a tail rotor yoke that cracked from metal fatigue and half the t/r departed the aircraft. Very bad deal, four dead.
As for the Cormorant, it's maintained by a civilian contractor as most of the routine maintenance on the Sea King replacement will likely be. Maintenance practices are often different between civilian life and DND but I for one have usually only been impressed by the wrenches on civvy street. I personally feel our military maintenance is labour intensive but that is not slag our boys, they work their buns off.
I am always amazed at how we (DND) manage to deploy something like a Sea King with eleven techs when our civilian peers will manage just as much flight ops with one or two AMEs? Once again, I'm just a driver and it perplexes me but both systems do work and I have great respect for anyone who fixes something I strap to my ponderous rear and take up into the wild blue.
Now for the latest Griffon in Goose. Apparently the aircraft was doing a hoist training scenario when they suddenly lost power and could not maintain flight. It appears, still speculative, that they simply fell out of their hover with the non flying pilot getting a distress call out to Goose tower. The only visible damage I have heard about so far is a cracked windshield but since it was a rather firm landing I would not be surprised to hear that the skids spread a bit :wacko:
