Early out for M & R Sept. 4-Sept 25

[BigMac]

Tync, we get it man. You don't like Bob. Damn dude.

 

[BigMac]

http://m.newson6.com/Story.aspx?story=19639171&catId=112042

 

[Jager]

I've been told by the DFW FSC ramp guys that they've been informed of a tentative date of 12/28/12 for their E/O retirement..

 

[BigMac]

http://twu514.org/blog/2012/10/04/final-eo-sis-and-lay-off-numbers-should-be-available-friday-oct-5-2012/

 

[Bob Owens]

Weak Kneed Willies? What, are we back in jr high? I don't believe I have ever resorted to name calling with you Bob but we can go there. If anyone has weak knees it is you from carrying around that 40lb gut of yours. Which by the way tells me that you are getting plenty to eat in NYC and therefore geo pay shouldn't be an issue.

Actually put on a few in Dallas during negotiations and my knees deserve more credit than you give them, I put on at least 70lbs since I hired on to AA but thats not due to prosperity, more like poor diet, odd shifts, lack of excercise, stress, genetics and a lack of discipline on my part. Obesity is not an indicator of wealth.

 

[Bob Owens]

Bob "The 8Ball Flop" Owens, Early Out Deadline a couple hours away I hope you signed so you can go elsewhere and be the asset there that you have been here. (deleted by Moderator)

Trying a new name in the hopes that it will stick? Go ahead, make my day.

I think I'll wait and see what the next buyout has in it. Maybe by next Summer when the kids are getting out of A&P school? May have to take a few field trips again and let them know that AA is not the place to plan a career. Once they see they only get one week of vacation for the first five years and get less than half the holidays, and only time and a half, that should be enough to drive them away. The MTA will treat them a lot better.

AA still has a huge problem on the horizon,and the stingy EO didnt even make a dent, an old workforce, and on top of that an old defeated demoralized resentful workforce thats making a fraction of what much younger mechanics are making at places like SWA and Jet Blue, even making much less than the old guys at UAL and Delta, but those carriers will have a lot better luck attracting young mechanics, maybe they will let AA train them then hire them away like they were back in the late 80s when AA was only paying around $4000 less a year for new hires (we topped out around the same, now we top out around $20k less).Buying USAIR wont help either, the averaege age there is 55. So even as AA rapes us for our medical, they will still likely pay more, and have higher rates of absenteeism and lower performance.

If I can get enough from a buyout to pay my daughters tuition maybe I will take it.

I dont think the company got the results they wanted. Only 6 guys ahead of me at JFK put in for it, and they would have left anyway, everyone else was under me and quite a few SIS, those were for the most part the people AA did not want to lose, those under 45. We're losing two out of three of our EBoard members. Both young guys. If anything I think AA's average age for a mechanics may have gone up since Jan 1, instead of down as we had around a dozen new or young guys quit before the concessions.

If AA had places for all this work had we voted NO then how come we havent had one single layoff yet? Hmm, maybe they were bluffing? Sure there's plenty of WB capacity out there but not much NB. We see the quality of work coming out of NC and now Timco at BOS, imagine how things would have been if AA tried to dump all their airplanes into an already constricted market!! Do you think the quality would improve or get worse as they end up with more work than they can handle. Now they , and AA, have to compete with Boeing and to a lesser extent even SWA, who are both hiring.

 

[Overspeed]

AA still has a huge problem on the horizon,and the stingy EO didnt even make a dent,

EO's didn't make a dent? 1052 Title I's are taking the deal which according to the transition plan leaves less than 500 getting RIF'd. If we had voted the deal down then there would be NO EO. 1052 would not be getting anything. Getting 2/3rds of the RIF's covered by EO's is a good deal for those that wanted to stay on.

 

[dfw gen]

EO's didn't make a dent? 1052 Title I's are taking the deal which according to the transition plan leaves less than 500 getting RIF'd. If we had voted the deal down then there would be NO EO. 1052 would not be getting anything. Getting 2/3rds of the RIF's covered by EO's is a good deal for those that wanted to stay on.

you are actually foolish enough to beleive that? tell you what lets talk about this next December when all is said and NOT done yet.

 

[Overspeed]

you are actually foolish enough to beleive that? tell you what lets talk about this next December when all is said and NOT done yet.

RIF's to the street? Yes. Bumping? People are still going to get bumped. EO's can't stop where the RIF's occur just that jobs will be available to those that want them. It might now be in DFW, you might have to bump to work somewhere else.

 

[dfw gen]

RIF's to the street? Yes. Bumping? People are still going to get bumped. EO's can't stop where the RIF's occur just that jobs will be available to those that want them. It might now be in DFW, you might have to bump to work somewhere else.

you really have got to be kidding me? right? ok now if the bond fund in tulsa does not pass and the hangars are not modified for the 737's does that mean that unamerican airlines does not have the facilties to perform the work? Dude have you read the piece of #### you voted for? the 787's are being done at boeing, airbus is doing the airbusess, the 80's,757's and 767's are going away that leaves the 737's in tulsa maybe if the bond election passes. the only hope you have in tulsa is if the vendors totally #### up the work kind of like timco and the repitch fiasco. which by the way i love the fight like hell response from gless on we were the last ones to touch the seats. chief you really need to spend a day in the real world. AGAIN if in two years there are a 1,000 people TOTAL in Tulsa i will be suprised. why do you think you are being combined with taesl and dwh? good luck chief you will need it.

 

[dfw gen]

oh and the 777's are in China , not a hell of a lot left for tulsa. hell 514's local could be moving to DWH!

 

[Buck]

TWU Reduces Layoffs at American by 80 percent


October 4, 2012

2,800+ Elect Negotiated Early Out/Retirement Option, Adding to 3,100+ Jobs Saved during TWU Bargaining and more jobs saved by adjusted work assignments


Dallas –Strategic bargaining by the Transport Workers Union has reduced the number of anticipated layoffs at American Airlines by eighty percent, the union said today.
Just over 2,800 TWU-represented workers at American Airlines have elected an “early out”/retirement option, negotiated earlier this year by union workers and management during the bankruptcy reorganization of the airline’s parent company, AMR.
This is in addition to more than 3,100 jobs saved during union negotiations, when TWU bargainers convinced the company to modify their demands for job cuts, and additional positions saved by negotiated adjustments to work assignments.
AMR executives demanded 8,650 job cuts in their original term sheet in March of 2012. This has now been reduced to an anticipated total of 1,800 layoffs of TWU members, which includes less than 500 employees in the Mechanic and Related (M&R) work group, less than 100 stock clerks, and 1,200 in the Fleet Service work group. In the Mechanic and Related work group, the number of furloughs was further limited by a downward adjustment in restructuring furloughs in Tulsa.
“Every single layoff means pain for our members and their families, and nobody is happy with how this company has manipulated the bankruptcy process,” said TWU International President James C. Little. “We continue to believe there are much better ways to restructure this business than to lay off workers and cut back service. But the fact is we reduced by eighty percent the number of job cuts AMR management originally demanded.”



“That’s what workers can accomplish when we stand united, keep our options open, and work together on an aggressive plan to protect our members. There’s a reason workers all over this country are standing up for the right to collective bargaining. It makes a real difference in the lives of working men and women.”
Under terms of the negotiated agreement between TWU and AMR, union-represented workers could elect the “early out”/retirement option up until Sept. 25th, then had a five-day period, ending on September 30th, during which they could withdraw their names. Following a reconciliation of company records, the final tally is available today.
In the M&R and Stores work groups, 1,564 workers elected the “early out”/retirement option. In the Fleet Service work groups, 1,250 elected this option, for a total of 2,814 in all work groups. The retirements will reduce the need for layoffs at American by a corresponding number of positions.
Since AMR entered bankruptcy reorganization in November of 2011 all seven TWU work groups have ratified new labor agreements with the company.
“We’re not out of the woods yet,” said Little. “We’re going to continue to fight for every job and for every protection our members deserve, working towards a viable plan that can help this airline succeed in the marketplace.”

 

[BigMac]

And here's the link to Bucks post :
http://twu514.org/blog/2012/10/04/twu-reduces-layoffs-at-american-by-80-percent/

 

[jacfrost]

And here's the link to Bucks post :
http://twu514.org/bl...-by-80-percent/

Seriously?????????? At least this is in print and in 2 to 3 years it can be viewed as total bullshit.

 

[TWU informer]

MAN that TWU BS is getting so deep I have converted from boots to full blown hip waders.

Unreal.

TWU has attacked AMFA for job losses for years, and now that they are losing thousands of jobs, it is twist, spin, shine, repeat. Even some James C. Little spit shine on this BS!

as if we are stupid to the truth!