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Wow, a grown man that likes listening to little girls scream............Yes, I would say you are sadistic......
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To be fair, he didn't say he liked listening to little girls scream, he said he enjoyed listening to grown men scream like they were little girls. Still sadistic, but a little less creepy than the way you painted him.
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My bad, and he did say squeal, not scream. My bad again but I'm not sure which of those are creepier.
But seriously, I assume he is upset at the seniority list issue of one of the workgroups. I wonder what would have been a fair way to combine his workgroup. I'm afraid I'm opening a can of worms by asking though...........
But seriously, I assume he is upset at the seniority list issue of one of the workgroups. I wonder what would have been a fair way to combine his workgroup. I'm afraid I'm opening a can of worms by asking though...........
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I'm sure thats what he is referring to. I guess if we merge with them before exiting BK it could happen that way ala TWA. If so, give me AA seniority at my station, 9 more years of employment and I wont be squealing. TWA guys got all that, a raise and pension when AA rescued them.
get over it chief you got 10 years of a half way decent paycheck and a little more of a pension that the piddly crap you had from twa go cry somewhere to someone that gives a sh*t.
I would say 99 percent of the AA mechanics are fantastic to work with so I can agree with what happened. No argument there and not going to start the same thread that has been a million times. But, I can also say American taking over the TWA mechanics sure wasn't a joy for them. I know many of them wish this would never have happened. What did they get out of the deal. Moving across country wherever they landed for a measly little more in pension. Not worth it. They would have been at some other company by now, maybe Southwest. Many of the younger ones are. Just a comment, AA mechanics are good to work with but the merger surely did not do any of them favors. The pension, what little of it, surely doesn't make up for wasting eleven years of life. This airline didn't do them any favors, believe me.
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This is a dead horse for sure but explain your statement please. Without the AA buyout would those employees at TWA have had a job with TWA? How long would it have lasted?
Why didn't they go to a better job rather than stay with TWA/AA.
How can someone blame AA for wasting their life? Why not go to another airline asap?
Why didn't they go to a better job rather than stay with TWA/AA.
How can someone blame AA for wasting their life? Why not go to another airline asap?
Not going down the path you want. But, please tell me how many mechanics, AA or ex-TW are leaving currently in the same situation. You say it is not the same? Okay, believe that if you want. AA is in bankruptcy, being possibly merged with another carrier and so forth. Mechanics do not just leave for another airline to start at the bottom unless their forced too, plus all the promises, etc that were made by this wonderful company. The ones that did not have a choice and started at other industries, etc. are doing much better than those who followed this lame company to the end. When you see the mass exodus of mechanics leaving now, please let me know.
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Ex twa guys in Tulsa great guys and glad to work with um except that one guy with a middle eastern name (no not racist just a sucky ass mechanic)
How do you know AA won't staple us mechs ? Btw stapling isn't an option anymore either way
From; Kenneth E. Powell
Section Vice President Aircraft Maintenance
Air Transport Local 567
All,
We have met with Bob Kirk to receive an update about yesterday’s meeting concerning the upcoming Reduction in Force at AFW. After the update there seems to be more questions than answers. It also appears that the company has planned to take even more than what has been given up already in the new “agreement” through their interpretation of the “new agreement”. We have called to meet with ATD Representative Don Videtich to clarify some of the information and what is going to be done to stop the company from trying to further violate our members. Here is what we have so far.
As far as the “One City Shuffle”, AFW is not a part of that process, this only applies to the stations that have a One Station Agreement, the company is using this term to more or less Red Circle the TAESL operation. As far as AFW is concerned, the plan is to let people move either into or out of TAESL voluntarily. If you move out of TAESL, you will be considered part of Aircraft Overhaul and will be part of the AFW RIF. Those that stay in TAESL will only be subject to the RIF if they are part of the system juniority pool and wind up being bumped. The plan is to make TAESL a completely separate station after the one time movement of people in or out of TAESL. TAESL would not be considered part of AFW and allow a hangar person to bump a less senior person and stay at AFW unless they are listed as part of the system juniority pool. The question that remains to be answered is how many people will be allowed to leave or go into TAESL and what if more want to stay in TAESL than TAESL plans to keep, what then? We are currently working as a board on the best way to try and stop this obvious violation of our contractual rights. This is all suppose to happen between September 17-24, but no one has said how this is supposed to happen, again more questions than answers.
It was also stated that anyone who bumps into Type 8 work (overhaul) will have to test if going into a different shop than you are currently qualified. The same is true for anyone who comes into TAESL, they would have to pass the qualifying test. This again is not nor has it been required. There is no language that states you must qualify in order to bump into Type 8 work. This is an attempt to limit the amount of people who either bump into TAESL, DWH or TUL, again there is no language to support the company’s position. The target date to have all the testing done is October 12th, good luck doing that. There are also plans to make the current A25 line test 100 questions to chose from instead of the current 25 questions. This again is another attempt to try and fail as many employees as possible during the test so that you will not be able to exercise your seniority to bump a less senior line mechanic.
All bid jobs that have not been filled (by filled that means the person has already reported) will be wiped clean as of October 8. After the RIF has been completed any bid positions that are still required will be reposted for bid.
As for the movement of work from AFW to DFW/DWH, the plan is not only to move the Coffee/Oven, Slide and Battery shops, the company plans on moving the OSMs in those shops with the work. Again this is another clear violation of the agreement by the company. Without a one station agreement with DWH, you cannot just move the employees with the work, all you can do is RIF those employees and make those vacancies available during the RIF at the new station.
There is another meeting scheduled to be held concerning all of this next Monday September 17. Our hope as a board is that we will receive the needed support from the International to stop this blatant disregard for our contractual rights, what’s left of them anyway. As we get better information, we will get it out as fast as possible. I apologize for not having more answers, but this is all we have for now.
Respectfully,
KP
Kenneth E. Powell
Section Vice President Aircraft Maintenance
Air Transport Local 567
Transport Workers Union of America AFL-CIO
Cell: (817)690-3207
Sorry boys the twu just screwed you once more!
Section Vice President Aircraft Maintenance
Air Transport Local 567
All,
We have met with Bob Kirk to receive an update about yesterday’s meeting concerning the upcoming Reduction in Force at AFW. After the update there seems to be more questions than answers. It also appears that the company has planned to take even more than what has been given up already in the new “agreement” through their interpretation of the “new agreement”. We have called to meet with ATD Representative Don Videtich to clarify some of the information and what is going to be done to stop the company from trying to further violate our members. Here is what we have so far.
As far as the “One City Shuffle”, AFW is not a part of that process, this only applies to the stations that have a One Station Agreement, the company is using this term to more or less Red Circle the TAESL operation. As far as AFW is concerned, the plan is to let people move either into or out of TAESL voluntarily. If you move out of TAESL, you will be considered part of Aircraft Overhaul and will be part of the AFW RIF. Those that stay in TAESL will only be subject to the RIF if they are part of the system juniority pool and wind up being bumped. The plan is to make TAESL a completely separate station after the one time movement of people in or out of TAESL. TAESL would not be considered part of AFW and allow a hangar person to bump a less senior person and stay at AFW unless they are listed as part of the system juniority pool. The question that remains to be answered is how many people will be allowed to leave or go into TAESL and what if more want to stay in TAESL than TAESL plans to keep, what then? We are currently working as a board on the best way to try and stop this obvious violation of our contractual rights. This is all suppose to happen between September 17-24, but no one has said how this is supposed to happen, again more questions than answers.
It was also stated that anyone who bumps into Type 8 work (overhaul) will have to test if going into a different shop than you are currently qualified. The same is true for anyone who comes into TAESL, they would have to pass the qualifying test. This again is not nor has it been required. There is no language that states you must qualify in order to bump into Type 8 work. This is an attempt to limit the amount of people who either bump into TAESL, DWH or TUL, again there is no language to support the company’s position. The target date to have all the testing done is October 12th, good luck doing that. There are also plans to make the current A25 line test 100 questions to chose from instead of the current 25 questions. This again is another attempt to try and fail as many employees as possible during the test so that you will not be able to exercise your seniority to bump a less senior line mechanic.
All bid jobs that have not been filled (by filled that means the person has already reported) will be wiped clean as of October 8. After the RIF has been completed any bid positions that are still required will be reposted for bid.
As for the movement of work from AFW to DFW/DWH, the plan is not only to move the Coffee/Oven, Slide and Battery shops, the company plans on moving the OSMs in those shops with the work. Again this is another clear violation of the agreement by the company. Without a one station agreement with DWH, you cannot just move the employees with the work, all you can do is RIF those employees and make those vacancies available during the RIF at the new station.
There is another meeting scheduled to be held concerning all of this next Monday September 17. Our hope as a board is that we will receive the needed support from the International to stop this blatant disregard for our contractual rights, what’s left of them anyway. As we get better information, we will get it out as fast as possible. I apologize for not having more answers, but this is all we have for now.
Respectfully,
KP
Kenneth E. Powell
Section Vice President Aircraft Maintenance
Air Transport Local 567
Transport Workers Union of America AFL-CIO
Cell: (817)690-3207
Sorry boys the twu just screwed you once more!
Stapeling is still very much alive. The only problem is that any one group would have to agree to be stapled. Highly unlikely, yet as you falsely say, it is very much alive and still possible. Plus, who's to say an arbitrator will never decide on a staple job? That's right no one can say with any truth that it will never happen. Why this myth keeps getting passed around as the gospel is beyond me.
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Probably not thanks to the efforts of two Missouri politicians who have legislatively ensured "fair and equitable" seniority integration following the TWA purchase.
-----The difference this time is even US is saying "MERGER" while AA purchased TWA...
-----With respect to the TWU/IAM.....Kasher made his ruling...NOT AA...NOT the TWU.....NOT the IAM!!
-----In the event a merger does happen between US and AA, it will undoubtedly once again wind up before an arbitrator for all unions this time.....using Allegheny-Mohawk.
-----Who's to say that future arbitrator will not use KASHER's ruling as past precedence and apply the same formula?
AA is larger than US across the board.
So instead of relishing in the thougths of grown men squealing, just leave that scene from the movie "DELIVERANCE" in your little mind.
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