Early out for M & R Sept. 4-Sept 25

[1AA]

Stapeling is still very much alive. The only problem is that any one group would have to agree to be stapled. Highly unlikely, yet as you falsely say, it is very much alive and still possible. Plus, who's to say an arbitrator will never decide on a staple job? That's right no one can say with any truth that it will never happen. Why this myth keeps getting passed around as the gospel is beyond me.

Ask Hewitt, he has all the answers for a friggin jackass and idiot who lead or mislead the YES voters to the mess we are in today.

 

[Birdman]

Considering the contract will be signed today affording an .82 an hour raise and the "early out" window will be open till the 25th, will the 13 week severance estimates be adjusted to reflect the raise? We're talking $426.40 for the base AMT's, no small sum.

 

[amt66]

Considering the contract will be signed today affording an .82 an hour raise and the "early out" window will be open till the 25th, will the 13 week severance estimates be adjusted to reflect the raise? We're talking $426.40 for the base AMT's, no small sum.

I would think once you work at the new raise the severance will reflect your new total.

 

[BigMac]

http://twu514.org/blog/2012/09/12/early-out-numbers-as-of-september-12-2012/

 

[BigMac]

Below are the Early Out and Stand In Stead (SIS) numbers for Title I, II and V as of this morning. Starting tomorrow a breakdown for each station/title group will be on the Early Out page of jet net (the same place to go and sign up for EO).

Fraternally,

Don V

Early Out

Total: 825 Early Out – Protected: 766 Early Out – Not Protected: 59

Title I: 598 Early Out – Protected: 558 Early Out – Not Protected: 40

Title II: 151 Early Out – Protected: 136 Early Out – Not Protected: 15

Title V: 76 Early Out – Protected: 72 Early Out – Not Protected: 4

SIS

Total: 35

Title I: 22

Title II: 5

Title V: 8

 

[2ndGENAMT]

Where do the 300+ early outs that have left the title I ranks since BK fit into the RIF?

 

[DNTULSA]

Where do the 300+ early outs that have left the title I ranks since BK fit into the RIF?

Perhaps AA considers them "gravy"!

 

[777 fixer]

Below are the Early Out and Stand In Stead (SIS) numbers for Title I, II and V as of this morning. Starting tomorrow a breakdown for each station/title group will be on the Early Out page of jet net (the same place to go and sign up for EO).

Fraternally,

Don V

Early Out

Total: 825 Early Out – Protected: 766 Early Out – Not Protected: 59

Title I: 598 Early Out – Protected: 558 Early Out – Not Protected: 40

Title II: 151 Early Out – Protected: 136 Early Out – Not Protected: 15

Title V: 76 Early Out – Protected: 72 Early Out – Not Protected: 4

SIS

Total: 35

Title I: 22

Title II: 5

Title V: 8

Not to many people signed up for the SIS. Wonder where they fit into this whole thing.

 

[rifbound]

Where do the 300+ early outs that have left the title I ranks since BK fit into the RIF?

They're left. Good luck getting anything now.

Not to many people signed up for the SIS. Wonder where they fit into this whole thing.

Since there's not that many either they'll give it to us or not. Screwed either way.

 

[Frank Szabo]

I would think once you work at the new raise the severance will reflect your new total.

Look through the LOAs - there's probably something insuring the payment is at the old rates.

Have faith, brother, have faith.

 

[AA89]

This is a dead horse for sure but explain your statement please. Without the AA buyout would those employees at TWA have had a job with TWA? How long would it have lasted?
Why didn't they go to a better job rather than stay with TWA/AA.
How can someone blame AA for wasting their life? Why not go to another airline asap?

Not going down the path you want. But, please tell me how many mechanics, AA or ex-TW are leaving currently in the same situation. You say it is not the same? Okay, believe that if you want. AA is in bankruptcy, being possibly merged with another carrier and so forth. Mechanics do not just leave for another airline to start at the bottom unless their forced too, plus all the promises, etc that were made by this wonderful company. The ones that did not have a choice and started at other industries, etc. are doing much better than those who followed this lame company to the end. When you see the mass exodus of mechanics leaving now, please let me know.

I'm not trying to start an argument but I really never have understood those feelings. By the way, we at least share feelings of betrayal by management.

I can't say how many AA AMTs are leaving and I don't know what that has to do with the subject of mergers. The basic question is how did AA ruin yours or anyone else's career. Would you have had a longer/better career had TWA stayed on the path it was on and a standalone airline? Would you have had a better/longer career had a different airline bought TWA? I'm not clear on what your expectations were. The answer to those basic questions should be the basis for determining TWAs or now AA's treatment of the seniority list. The concensus is that TWA was going under. AA is reorganizing and the plan is to succeed. Time will tell but if we are faced with liquidation or a merger and the same deal you guys got, I can't see how continuing my career for 9 more years would be worse than liquidation.

What would have been a fair solution to you?

 

[AV1]

I'm not trying to start an argument but I really never have understood those feelings. By the way, we at least share feelings of betrayal by management.

I can't say how many AA AMTs are leaving and I don't know what that has to do with the subject of mergers. The basic question is how did AA ruin yours or anyone else's career. Would you have had a longer/better career had TWA stayed on the path it was on and a standalone airline? Would you have had a better/longer career had a different airline bought TWA? I'm not clear on what your expectations were. The answer to those basic questions should be the basis for determining TWAs or now AA's treatment of the seniority list. The concensus is that TWA was going under. AA is reorganizing and the plan is to succeed. Time will tell but if we are faced with liquidation or a merger and the same deal you guys got, I can't see how continuing my career for 9 more years would be worse than liquidation.

What would have been a fair solution to you?

As I said before, nothing but good things to say about AA mechs. If your house burnt down, you decided to rebuild it yourself, but someone came along and said they will build it for you, provided promises after promises, etc. You take the offer. The builder after eleven years now decides to burn down your house. Now, your eleven years older, your too old to rebuild and basically your sh#t out of luck. The pension sure doesn't help, because we have none. Are you better off by having the eleven years to live in it and tossed out or should you have started to rebuild on your own way back eleven years ago and still have a home. Just saying American did not do any favors for the ex-TW mechs. If they would have jettisoned it years ago, they would have been better off by working for a more reputable company that desires their skills. As I said, many mechanics who were laid off now are at Southwest with eleven years seniority. You pick, where would you like to be.

 

[Bob Owens]

As I said before, nothing but good things to say about AA mechs. If your house burnt down, you decided to rebuild it yourself, but someone came along and said they will build it for you, provided promises after promises, etc. You take the offer. The builder after eleven years now decides to burn down your house. Now, your eleven years older, your too old to rebuild and basically your sh#t out of luck. The pension sure doesn't help, because we have none. Are you better off by having the eleven years to live in it and tossed out or should you have started to rebuild on your own way back eleven years ago and still have a home. Just saying American did not do any favors for the ex-TW mechs. If they would have jettisoned it years ago, they would have been better off by working for a more reputable company that desires their skills. As I said, many mechanics who were laid off now are at Southwest with eleven years seniority. You pick, where would you like to be.

In other words you would have been better off had you held on to your pay and benefits till they liguidated, sooner rather than later , because instead of working for reduced wages as the end was dragged out over years you could have spent those years building back up to top pay at a survivor? In the end the guys who were laid off first made out better.

 

[Bob Owens]

Below are the Early Out and Stand In Stead (SIS) numbers for Title I, II and V as of this morning. Starting tomorrow a breakdown for each station/title group will be on the Early Out page of jet net (the same place to go and sign up for EO).

Fraternally,

Don V

Early Out

Total: 825 Early Out – Protected: 766 Early Out – Not Protected: 59

Title I: 598 Early Out – Protected: 558 Early Out – Not Protected: 40

Title II: 151 Early Out – Protected: 136 Early Out – Not Protected: 15

Title V: 76 Early Out – Protected: 72 Early Out – Not Protected: 4

SIS

Total: 35

Title I: 22

Title II: 5

Title V: 8

He still keeps saying "protected"!!! We gave that away, nobody has system protection anymore, he should know, he helped make sure of it.

 

[Bob Owens]

Where do the 300+ early outs that have left the title I ranks since BK fit into the RIF?

We were told they would offset the RIF. If 1701 people left from November 30 2011 then there would be no RIF. Dont know if thats still the deal, but then again the langauge that we voted in can be summed up in one sentence;
THEY CAN DO THAT!!