East Pilots, Would you consider a "West" Domicile

[Be Careful What You Wish For.]

At Virgin America, Captain positions will be "merit based."

This is the truly scary thing about a potential merger w/ someone like Virgin.
If someone does the buying they can do the deciding how things work(as far as I know).
When Virgin was mentioned as maybe thinking about The U in early 2000s I really thought "be careful what you wish for." This goes for all of us-east,west,ground whatever.

 

[twoturnin]

Having lived in PHX 71-72---last bit of AF at LUKE----I did love it--wife hated it--flew at Sawyer Aviation with all ratings except ATP---Larry Young and Darrel S were super duper folks---one of the ex- Sawyer instructors(early 70's) is a very senior Piedmont -8 driver.

 

[Cactus737]

DOH @ AFA has nothing to do with "what's right" - it has to do with who has political control of the national union. ALPA doesn't have that problem. In fact, the most recent revision of ALPA Merger Policy, which REMOVED date-of-hire from the tenets of integration, was overseen by a US Airways pilot (the current AAA MEC Vice-Chairman in fact).

I guess date-of-hire ISN'T fair, or why would have a US Airways pilot removed it from Merger Policy?

I only with that our (West) FA's had a fence in place. East DOH should prevail East of the Missippi, but a DOH of 9/2005 should prevail for Easties in PHX.

 

[Be Careful What You Wish For.]

While not a pilot, I'm giving the entire East operation 5 yrs to grow or clear out in senority. If nothing happens, Im moving to PHX. Hummm...let's see how welcomed my then 25 years will be to the PHX f/a's. B)

I can garantee? the west that the east will not travel to PHX. This is all scare tactics(you may have noticed the "America Worst" signature? on this post.) They can't even make it to PHL! (The other day people had to spend the night to get to PIT the next day.) I've said this before - someone once told me that they don't travel well. They will not go the wrong way to be outside the parogie?, cheesesteak zone. The only thing you have to watch for is they may come and decide to retire in Yuma.

 

[BLT]

DOH would be the best thing ever. If it was set in stone by a national seniority list, and was thus transferrable throughout your career. However in the wisdom of our forefathers of aviation, they set up a system of seniority which causes us to compete with one another (airline vs. airline). If you lose your job you lose your seniority. If you choose a new carrier you lose your seniority. If you merge you fight it out through negotiation, mediation and then arbitration. Your seniority should start with day one at any ALPA carrier and stay with you as long as you work for an ALPA property. This would provide job security. Enable you to work for the carrier that suits you best. It would even keep us from fighting amongst one another (at least over seniority).

Perhaps ALPA could even set up a pension plan for its members. One that couldn't be raided or torn apart by the evil empires that rule business in this country.

But alas, this would require a spirit of cooperation and brotherhood that sadly does not exist in this ME driven world. This would be true unionism. The little people looking out for one another. Not relying on the coporate thugs for a meaningless handout (profit sharing). This would give the union too much power and therefore it will never happen. They must keep us on the corporate leash. We must be beholden to the holy company that has plucked us from obscurity to work as a sky whore for brand x until the day you hit 60. Then you can go work for WALMART. Congratulations.

 

[Hawkhunter]

I guess date-of-hire ISN'T fair, or why would have a US Airways pilot removed it from Merger Policy?


It wasnt USairways pilots, it was UAL pilots that changed the merger policy.

 

[Cactus737]

I guess date-of-hire ISN'T fair, or why would have a US Airways pilot removed it from Merger Policy?


It wasnt USairways pilots, it was UAL pilots that changed the merger policy.

I beg to differ. Ask your MEC Vice-Chairman what part he had in removing DOH from Merger Policy. He used to brag about it.

 

[LCC_#1]

and now that you are pushing around a walker, a lot has changed since your day and this is what we call progress. Date of hire existed oh, about twenty years ago but now, at least in the professional pilot community, it is a relic of the past.

Talk about entitlement. I love how some of you spin words like "new day" or "relic of the past" to justified THEIR feelings of entitlement. You people really don't get it. One day you will see.

I beg to differ. Ask your MEC Vice-Chairman what part he had in removing DOH from Merger Policy. He used to brag about it.

Since you seem to be an authority on this..."splain Lucy".

 

[EastUS]

I only with that our (West) FA's had a fence in place. East DOH should prevail East of the Missippi, but a DOH of 9/2005 should prevail for Easties in PHX.

Lemme see if I've got this straight?

"East DOH should prevail East of the Missippi"????

"I only with that our (West) FA's had a fence in place."

Ummmm.....and you still have any problem with the notion of doing just exactly that for the pilot groups?

I get it =

The west FA/s should be protected by fences, so as to not be hosed by the integration, and DOH held by the east FA's should be limited to a fenced off portion already held by them....sounds a lot like what I've always advocated for the solution to the pilots' debacle

 

[767jetz]

I beg to differ. Ask your MEC Vice-Chairman what part he had in removing DOH from Merger Policy. He used to brag about it.

Let's be clear about this. It was ALPA as a whole who collectively changed the merger policy. Regardless of who put the idea on the table, ALPA is still a democratic organization and it was voted on by all.

I know this idea is contrary to the belief system of the US East pilots, but ALPA does not revolve around them. They are not the only voice, nor are they the largest or most important voice within ALPA. They are actually relatively insignificant when compared to the collective voice of all pilots represented by ALPA National.

No one group has the power to change anything. UA could not unilaterally change policy any more than US can unilaterally change it back now. As the EAST pilots love to point out to the WEST, whoever has the most votes will prevail. Unfortunately in their self-centered world, they can not understand that it works both ways. That same rule does not just apply to them when it works to their advantage, only to be disregarded when it does not.

 

[nostradamus]

Let's be clear about this. It was ALPA as a whole who collectively changed the merger policy. Regardless of who put the idea on the table, ALPA is still a democratic organization and it was voted on by all.

I know this idea is contrary to the belief system of the US East pilots, but ALPA does not revolve around them. They are not the only voice, nor are they the largest or most important voice within ALPA. They are actually relatively insignificant when compared to the collective voice of all pilots represented by ALPA National.

No one group has the power to change anything. UA could not unilaterally change policy any more than US can unilaterally change it back now. As the EAST pilots love to point out to the WEST, whoever has the most votes will prevail. Unfortunately in their self-centered world, they can not understand that it works both ways. That same rule does not just apply to them when it works to their advantage, only to be disregarded when it does not.

Self centered United Pilots at work

 

[USCREW]

Self centered United Pilots at work

August 15, 1986?

 

[nostradamus]

August 15, 1986?

Maya Angelou:

"History, despite its wrenching pain, cannot be unlived, but if faced with courage, need not be lived again."

 

[767jetz]

August 15, 1986?

Yeah, that's what I thought.

Nothing like digging up news from 21 years ago. 🙄

 

[brown]

While not a pilot, I'm giving the entire East operation 5 yrs to grow or clear out in senority. If nothing happens, Im moving to PHX. Hummm...let's see how welcomed my then 25 years will be to the PHX f/a's. B)

Sorry, but if you are giving another 5 years and have 25 years provided you started at 25 this would make you about 55 years old when you go to PHX...PLEASE think of something else to do....