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The two things that frequent flyers have said, OVER AND OVER, is that they want:

1. ON TIME DEPARTURES

2. THEIR LUGGAGE ARRIVING WITH THEM.

Simply put, that is the reason that every airline shuts the door many minutes before scheduled departure. You wanted it, you got it.

Let's move on and discuss something more to the topic, please, such as WHY she was flying unaccompanied in the first place. Duh.

That seems to be US Airways and Doug Parker's interpretation of all that matters....I can promise you with a 1,000% degree of certainty, that's not how the overwhelming majority of loyal, high yield pax look at it.....then again, we know what US thinks of loyal, high yield pax.....

Oh, and the scehdule isn't padded enough so that the airplane can leave on time (as opposed to 8 minutes early) and still get to it's destination on time?

This discussion has definitely gotten me a better understanding of why US leads in so many categories I'm sure they wish they didn't lead in.
 
That seems to be US Airways and Doug Parker's interpretation of all that matters....I can promise you with a 1,000% degree of certainty, that's not how the overwhelming majority of loyal, high yield pax look at it.....then again, we know what US thinks of loyal, high yield pax.....

Oh, and the scehdule isn't padded enough so that the airplane can leave on time (as opposed to 8 minutes early) and still get to it's destination on time?

This discussion has definitely gotten me a better understanding of why US leads in so many categories I'm sure they wish they didn't lead in.

annnnddddd.....Phoenix to Tuscon is a god'dahm 17 minute flight...give me a break you ..........!
 
How's the intimidation factor with AGENTS in PHX? Do you have Supervisor's breathing down your necks to get all flights out on-time? Do you get DISCIPLINED for excessive lates?

I think this has alot to do with staffing at the gates. You've got OVERCROWDED gate areas. X number of wheelchairs, UM's, Non rev's hawking the desk for empty seats, CP's wanting upgrades, seating issues, the endless questions, "where's the bathroom?"..."what time is it?"
Your Gate agent depends on the cleaning crew to expediate the cleaning process, alot of them even help out in the cleaning duties. Beg to board with the flight crews. Pull tickets. Help with excess bags, clear stand by's and Non Rev's...............and with luck.........get the flight out ON TIME. All day long, it's beat the clock.
And, then, you have that passenger, who you have paged, paged twice. You visually scan the terminal and wonder where they are. You walk towards the gate door, open it, as it slowly closes, you hear............"WAIT!!!!!!!". You're passenger slips past you, carrying their freshly brewed Starbucks.
In all that chaos of boarding, those agents working the flight missed the opportunity to see that they had a fragile passenger at their gate. Instead of becoming sensitive to her situation, they became defensive and to her, probably, uncaring. But, the clock was ticking.........!
The Cops in PHX failed the situation too. Everyone was beating her up, emotionally.



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"Airport employees at that point told Mrs. Gotbaum she could stand by for the 2:58 p.m. flight to Tucson. She arrived for that flight with someone else's boarding pass, which was not accepted. As employees continued to try to find her a seat, she became extremely agitated. Police were called, and she died later in police custody at the airport. "


I wasn't present when this occured, but by all accounts it doesn't appear as if things got ugly until she was denied a seat on the second flight. If I am the family's attorney (I'm not an attorney) I might focus on who gave the woman the wrong boarding pass for the second flight. I think this is where it gets ugly. The woman did as she was told, she arrived at the second flight ready to go and an agent informed her she had the wrong boarding pass. Agents give the wrong boarding pass out mistakingly, but it happens occassionally. She was on her way to rehab, her nerves were frayed and one thing led to the next. Who knows what the agent said, or how it was said that could have sent this woman over the edge?

I'm not making excuses for the woman's behavior, or her family allowing her to travel alone. But, everyone appears to ignore the fact the woman was given the wrong boarding pass. I believe the wrong boarding pass is where the airline gets nailed.
 
"Airport employees at that point told Mrs. Gotbaum she could stand by for the 2:58 p.m. flight to Tucson. She arrived for that flight with someone else's boarding pass, which was not accepted I believe the wrong boarding pass is where the airline gets nailed.

SHARES + standbys = antiquated
 
MLT, the way that I read the fact that wrong name was on the boarding pass was that another passeneger perhaps gave her their boarding pass because they were sympathetic to her. I have nothing to back that up with except that it was what I thought when I read about that.
 
MLT, the way that I read the fact that wrong name was on the boarding pass was that another passeneger perhaps gave her their boarding pass because they were sympathetic to her. I have nothing to back that up with except that it was what I thought when I read about that.

I don't have a source available right now, but I too heard from a news source that passengers had offered her their boarding passes and that she was trying to use someone elses pass for a guaranteed seat since she was only on the standby list. When she was denied for having the wrong boarding pass and still not given a confirmed seat is when she freaked out and was screaming that she wasn't a terrorist and things of that nature.
 
Let me take a stab at this......

Much has been made of this lady not presenting herself to the agent till 1:05. So what? She had no obligation to do so until she was ready to board, and per the contract of carriage had no obligation to board until the agent was ready to close the door. So until someone can present compelling evidence that an attempt was made to ensure that all confirmed passengers were present at 12:58, the 1:05 time is meaningless. Potential customer service failure #1.

Jim


What if 20, 50, passengers waited to board the aircraft at the last minute. The 10 minute cutoff has to be impossed or flights would never leave. You fly'em, I'll board'em.
 
This person would and should have been given attention. It is so easy to call security. I'm sure the gate agent is very regretful as to the results. It would have been to the companies advantage if they had agents that could've seen past the time policy. Too! Bad! So! Sad! Now, let the company revise this! US Airways should and should never be so callous! Learn from this lesson. I truly believe these ( the management) are novices!
 
What if 20, 50, passengers waited to board the aircraft at the last minute.
Can you point to anything in the contract of carriage that says they can't? Here's the link to get you started:

Contract of Carriage

Unless you can find something I couldn't, every passenger with a boarding pass could show up in the boarding area 15 minutes before scheduled departure time (domestic) and be entitled to board the plane. On Shuttle flights, they could all show up 5 minutes before scheduled departure. That's all the CofC requires.

Granted, US (and every other airline) depends on most passengers being ready to board well ahead of the CofC requirement. But they don't require it to retain the seat.

Jim
 
You have no idea. Ask a CSA how many times they've had to wait an hour for a parent to pick up an unaccompanied minor. How many times we've seen Mom pushed up in a wheelchair and deserted at the gate. If this persons family cared they would have made sure someone was with her. I'm sure the families attorney will tell us how much she was loved.

I have an idea, how about personal responsibility?
 
You have no idea. Ask a CSA how many times they've had to wait an hour for a parent to pick up an unaccompanied minor. How many times we've seen Mom pushed up in a wheelchair and deserted at the gate. If this persons family cared they would have made sure someone was with her. I'm sure the families attorney will tell us how much she was loved.

I have an idea, how about personal resposibility?

Again! This poor gate agent regrets this decision. It is time for the company! to comply to a sense of decency! Policy should be overridden. This should be given presidense.
 
People do dumb and/or uncaring things....what else is new. All I'm saying is that US can enforce the terms of the CofC so should also abide by it's terms. Unless, of course, you believe the CofC (or any contract) is a one-way street.

Jim
 
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