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777 fixer said:
I find it odd that the pilots would be giving ESPO presentations at a mechanics local membership meeting.  Has the company approached the pilots over a possible ESOP?  If so why is this the first time anyone has heard of this.  I figure something like this would have spread like wildfire across the company and the news wire.
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Here's the link:

http://www.buyitfixit.org/



Face-Off: UAL vs. proposed AMR ESOP Plans

The logical first reaction when one is confronted with the idea of an “ESOP†or Employee Buyout of AMR is, “What about United?†The purpose of this paper is to get you past this understandable knee-jerk reaction, to knowledge of real facts and real answers to that question.

United Airlines employees spent $4.9 Billion to purchase 55% of their company, which remained a publicly traded stock on the NYSE. They received some limited governance powers and 3 of 15 Board seats.

We propose to take AMR “private†by injecting new equity (stock) capital into the company during reorganization. There will be no publicly traded stock. There will, of course, still be public debt and a need to service that debt. We think the price will be “right,†and much lower than what UAL employees had to pay for their stake.


Here is a side-by-side comparison of UAL vs. New AMR:


UAL New AMR
Conventional ESOP/“C†Corp structure, initiated 1994.
ESOP/“S†Corp structure, made possible by 1996/97 law changes.

Leveraged ESOP, meaning money was borrowed secured by concessions, and loaned to the ESOP.
Un-leveraged ESOP funded by voluntary, elective employee allocations of existing 401k or defined contribution plans.

55% interest obtained, UAL remained a publicly traded company.
100% interest obtained, and AMR will become a private company, 100% employee owned.

ESOP had a limited funding life of 6 years. Would dissolve if not renewed in 2000.
Unlimited life ESOP.

Different and opposing agendas for Labor and Management: Labor was focused on “control†and Management on “accommodation†to corporate needs.
Agendas should be more congruent, as employees will be 100% owners. Wall Street is removed from the equation. Situation is different, with survival being the primary goal.

Conventional ESOP/“C†Corp structure had limited but sizable financial advantage … about $2 Billion in tax advantage from ESOP debt principal being tax-deductible.
New 100% ESOP/“S†Corp structure has powerful financial advantage … all future profits are free of federal income tax. All debts are paid with pretax dollars.

Under “C†corp. structure, UAL net profits did not accrue to ESOP accounts.
Under “S†Corp structure, New AMR net profits would accrue to employee ESOP accounts, in proportion to initial investment.

UAL Error: Employees not allowed to sell stock until retirement.
We plan more liberal diversification provisions.

UAL Error: Not all employees participated in ESOP … flight attendants opted out.
All employee groups would participate in the New AMR ESOP.

UAL Error: limited life ESOP.
No limit on life of the New AMR ESOP.

UAL Error: Some governance provisions objectionable to management.
We can learn from UAL errors and design more functional governance provisions.

UAL Error: Top management hired top officer “opposed†to employee ownership.
All of the New AMR management team will be amenable to employee ownership. This will be a prerequisite.

UAL Error: Planned financial training and education for all employee-owners never took place.
Financial training will be high priority.



Consider the following points, keeping in mind the above differences between UAL and a New AMR.

It is important to realize that the structure we propose for New AMR was not possible under federal law in 1994 for UAL. At that time, ESOP trusts were not allowed to be shareholders in “S†Corporations. “S†Corporations are companies that are not taxed at the corporate level, but taxation flows through to the shareholders. Shareholders are taxed on their prorated share of the profits, on an individual basis. Changes in federal law in 1996/1997 made it possible and economically feasible for ESOPs to be shareholders in “S†corporations.

There were several interlinked factors that helped destroy the cooperation needed for an ESOP to succeed at UAL. For example, the stock in the new ESOP was issued to the employees at around $23 per share in 1994. UAL remained a publicly traded company, and the stock traded on the NYSE at $100 per share only 3 years later. This out-performance of the stock during a bull market period resulted in the top 600 managers receiving large bonuses in 1996. In addition, management was exercising options and outside investors were selling, while the employees asked, “How about us? We’ve given 20% pay cuts and cannot sell until retirement!†This combination of a bull market, a publicly traded stock, restrictive employee cash-out provisions and selling by other parties to the transaction, “poisoned the well†for the ESOP early on in its history.

These factors should not exist for a 100% employee owned, private New AMR.

The corporation retained cash profits from UAL. In the case of New AMR, net profits will accrue to individual ESOP accounts, allowing for “automatic†diversification, over time, of employee retirement funds.

Given the way in which the New AMR ESOP would be funded by elective employee contributions, a securities offering would be made to all employees who would decide on an individual basis how much of their 401k balances or other defined contribution (pilot B Fund) plans to invest in New AMR Stock, all employee groups would participate. At UAL, the flight attendants never participated, which posed big problems.

The profit motive should be a more powerful incentive to New AMR employees under the 100% ownership, “S†corp. structure.

In the years leading up to 1994, UAL was reeling from takeover attempts by Marvin Davis and accumulation of stock by corporate raiders like Coniston Partners. This created a series of concerns about successorship and “control†that drove the subsequent ESOP design. Under the current scenario at AMR, where corporate survival is at issue, it is anticipated that plan design and management execution will be a more cooperative arrangement. Employees will be highly motivated, driven by the profit motive.

There is no question that an ESOP + Sub S arrangement at New AMR will require new ways of dealing with each other, new ways of working, and a new role of unionized labor. Our traditional relationships will not apply or work in many cases and in many ways. It will be up to us to meet the challenges, but we believe that the unique and more amenable structure under 100% ownership and S Corp will greatly enhance the chances of success at the New AMR.
 
So this is not an official effoort by the company or by an employee group. Just "wishfull thinking" on a handfull of employees part. I did notice that one of the people listed is not on the senority list for the station they are supposed to work at.
 
I am curious to know why the twu would allow this to take place in their hall. Is round 2 about to start and they are doing their usual muddy the waters campaign? This wouldn't be the first time they used the mixed signals approach to please their mAAster.
 
I don't see how they could allow employees to sell their stock before they quit or retire. If you are allowed to sell your stock,good chances are Carl Icahn or Boone Pickens will buy it second hand and hold on to it till they can aquire 51% of all outstanding shares. The employees would NO longer control the company.
 
Two old sayings come to mind.

1)Be carefull what you wish for you might just get it.

2)If it sounds to good to be true it probably is.
 
twaokc said:
Don't let the pilots have it. Look what Compton did to TWA
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It wasn't the APA. It was a pilot. I'm surprised the TWU allowed this too. For what its worth, there are very few pilots interested in the ESOP.
 
Hopeful said:
Well, at the Local union meeting, we had a pilot representative give a marvelous presention on an ESOP where the pilots would have the largest piece of the pie!
In this pie, the pilot group would have the majority seats on the board.

I understand that the pilot group wants to perserve the pay and pensions, but, nothing personal, I don't want to work for another union group!
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ESOP with different unions and political agendas will be a catastrophe.
If the AA employees are considering an 'ESOP" plan, then eject all unions and create a company union.

(oops, sorry, my bad, you already have one 😛 )

B) UT
 
Hopeful said:
New 100% ESOP/“Sâ€￾ Corp structure has powerful financial advantage … all future profits are free of federal income tax. All debts are paid with pretax dollars.

Under “Câ€￾ corp. structure, UAL net profits did not accrue to ESOP accounts.
Under “Sâ€￾ Corp structure, New AMR net profits would accrue to employee ESOP accounts, in proportion to initial investment.
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For those of you who correctly assumed that this proposal was snake oil, I have highlighted the portion of the pilots' case that is most misleading. Here is a short lesson on the difference between a C and an S.

All publicly-traded companies are structured as C Corps. The primary advantage of being structured as a C is that your corporate earnings do not automatically trigger a taxation event for your shareholders. For instance, if you were a shareholder of AMR and they made $500 million one year, you would not be taxed by the federal government. You are only taxed if the company pays a dividend (downside: earnings are effectively double-taxed) or if you sell your shares for a gain.

S Corps are very different. The company itself is not taxed because the shareholders foot the tax bill. So if the company makes a profit of $500 million, you will essentially "earn" your share of that income. I put earn in quotes because a profit is not necessarily the same thing as a cash payout. For example, the company may earn that $500 million and decide to reinvest in replacement aircraft, new facilities, etc. In that case, you would be left with a tax bill and no cash with which to pay it. Pretty scary stuff.

The only case in which you would want to own S shares of a company is if you were reasonably assured that the company would not make money. This is because, like profits, losses are passed on directly to the shareholders. Losses are also non-cash, so you would get a nifty little tax shield to deduct from your other income.

What does all of this mean? S Corps actually create a disincentive to manage a company profitably and generally benefit shareholders who are in the highest tax bracket and have enough cash to cover tax bills should they occur. Sound like anyone you know?
 
Also, does not an S corporation have a maximum limit in regards to the number of shareholders? I thought that that number was around 35.
 
Correct...I'm pretty sure it's 75. Just one more reason why this is just pie-in-the-sky drivel.

EDIT: After a re-read, it looks like they would structure the employees' stake as a trust, so the employees altogether would be one of the 75 possible shareholders. Not sure how they would handle the small matter of ALL OF THE OTHER STOCKHOLDERS.

By the way, who do you think would control the votes of the trust?
 
Connected,

Are you in the line of work to expertly comment on this, or is this Google research?

Thanks
 
Mach - I started my own business in the summer of 2004 and was faced with this very decision. I have also recently taken a graduate level course in small business finance at a top 20 school. I am not a CPA.
 
He's right on both the tax implications as well as the ownership caps. There are significant downsides to running this way, but it's far easier to retain control. That's why most family run businesses operate as S corps.
 

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