Flight Attendants' Voices Heard: Hell No!

[SparrowHawk]

Don't take clubbie seriously - I think the Warren Buffet he "plays" with is the dishwasher at the local greasy spoon. Just look at the latest P&L, balance sheet, and cash flows in the latest annual report. I don't think you find a line item called "misc" in them. Even assuming that clubbie really means "other", his comment that "Over a third of the "costs" are reported as "Misc", something that should be a giant red-flag to anyone" is patently false.

Operating expenses: total $12,629 million, other $1,235 million [fuel is $3,400 million, labor is $2,272 million]
Nonoperating income (expense): total ($326) million, other ($12) million [interest expense is ($327) million]

So I ask you, is either of those "Misc" costs over 1/3 the total? Clubbie has a history of making it up as he goes...

Jim

If the "other" is that minute then that's a really a tight balance sheet.

 

[Beancounter]

Don't take clubbie seriously - I think the Warren Buffet he "plays" with is the dishwasher at the local greasy spoon. Just look at the latest P&L, balance sheet, and cash flows in the latest annual report. I don't think you find a line item called "misc" in them. Even assuming that clubbie really means "other", his comment that "Over a third of the "costs" are reported as "Misc", something that should be a giant red-flag to anyone" is patently false.

Operating expenses: total $12,629 million, other $1,235 million [fuel is $3,400 million, labor is $2,272 million]
Nonoperating income (expense): total ($326) million, other ($12) million [interest expense is ($327) million]

So I ask you, is either of those "Misc" costs over 1/3 the total? Clubbie has a history of making it up as he goes...

Jim

Jim,

Thanks, I started to realize I was conversing with someone who either wasn't quite, "all there," or who was using daddy's computer.

Bean

 

[malikie]

Increase the pay, offer a (realistic) buy-out and shorten the length of the contract to 3 years. A signing bonus would also help.

Who do you think you work for? Maybe if you worked for one of the big boys, United or Delta, you could realistcly ask for that stuff but you work for US Airways.

 

[Move2CLT]

Who do you think you work for? Maybe if you worked for one of the big boys, United or Delta, you could realistcly ask for that stuff but you work for US Airways.

No union, no raise.

 

[malikie]

No union, no raise.

Wrong. The entire time i was at AWA/US i recieved a raise each year. And I was no part of any pathetic union.

 

[john john]

Wrong. The entire time i was at AWA/US i recieved a raise each year. And I was no part of any pathetic union.

Ask the HP passenger service agents how that no union thing work out

 

[SparrowHawk]

Wrong. The entire time i was at AWA/US i recieved a raise each year. And I was no part of any pathetic union.

What is it that has created such hatred in your heart toward Unions?? Don't you study history? The Labor Movement was largely responsible for the creation of the Middle Class. Are they flawed today? Yes they are, but so is government, the economy and corporate responsibility.

 

[Iclubbabyseals]

If the "other" is that minute then that's a really a tight balance sheet.

Bingo.!

Indeed, break out the costs, then decide how much is truly out-sourced to independent companies or, perhaps, vendors controlled by USAirways. I know it happens a lot, I mean, when a corporation "negotiates" for health-care "services", imagine the leverage they exert as to who gets the contract? If you think there are no "kick-backs" involved then you could be a bridge owner shortly. Sorry if I sound somewhat jaded, but I saw enough that it gets tiring when I see people like Bb falling for the same thing time and again. I wonder if he is not still on the payroll.

Nothing first hand but I understand there are very few actually full-time employees in the tempe office buildings, most being interns from the local schools, costing little but the air and garnering great tax breaks. Wonder why the usairways web page is so bad, look to that, according to a former IT full timer.

 

[MyrnaMinkoff]

I'm sorry, Bertha, but you'd lose that bet...but certainly understand from where you're coming and the concerns. I'm not in the airline industry anymore, but I still take an interest in what's happening. I fly US quite often and was honestly surprised by the No vote. Asking for specifics was my way of trying to understand why refusing a contract that appeared (to me) to be better than the current situation, was better than accepting it. The 'bird in the hand is worth two in the bush' saying was the first thing that came to mind. In any case, I hope the FA's get this resolved soon. Best wishes.

 

[BoeingBoy]

Bingo.!

Indeed, break out the costs, then decide how much is truly out-sourced to independent companies or, perhaps, vendors controlled by USAirways.

Unfortunately, that's not what you claimed...

The financial statements are pretty specific - even the "other" line entries have the big items listed in the footnotes. I think it's safe to take the tin foil hat off...

Jim

 

[Hawkhunter]

700UW,


2. I changed my screen name because US Airways changed its policy and I elected to be in compliance with company directives. In fact, at the time I was the only person with the courage to identify them self. I have sent you PMs asking you to identify your self to me and you refuse to do so. I wonder why?


Its also policy not to use your computer in the cockpit. Do you comply? The reason people do not identify themselves is you are the companies little ####. Like the little nark in the movie the Longest Yard. I have flown with you years ago and thank god I do not have to again, you were no Top Gun no matter how great you say you are. Do not bother to PM me I do not even look at them.

 

[BungeeJumper]

The phony guilelessness of saying that she thought "a bird in the hand" is worth "two in the bush" and feigning surprise at the rejection of the TA smacks of a different motive.
... it's kind of funny to think of morons resorting to such amateur and transparent techniques as creating an ersatz Mata Hari

I am sorry if my questions led you to believe I am part of, or reporting to, US Management. It's simply not the case, but with the internet being what it is, I certainly understand the concern. There's plenty of distrust between US and the F/A's without my involvement, which is really unfortunate. I would hope that we could have a discussion without insulting each other, and I apologize if I've upset you with my questions.

 

[PITbull]

Nice job, FA's!!!!

You sent a clear message last two weeks ago when you threw out the MEC President. Obviously, Mike wasnt paying attention to what the majority of the f/as across the bases were saying. Carol Austin is way over due to go. she is very out of touch with the 21st century f/as who worksday in and day out on the line in this industry climate.

The company must have known, they were in trouble for sure when you ousted him!!!!! Horrah for all of you and hats off to both MEC CLT and PHL presidents for being guided by who they represent!!!!!


Couldnt be prouder of all of you. You are the best and deserve the best. YOU made the sacrifices for USAirways even to exist.

ITS ABOUT TIME TO GET WHAT YOU LABORED TO GET FOR THE PAST SEVEN YEARS!

The company will deal all right. They have no choice.

Amazing time! I hope you get the media press to bring attention to the sacriffices labor has made, and to have the media investigate what senior managment has recievedin compensation while labor struggled through those labor sacrificing years.

All hands on deck, give them HELL!!!!

Way to go...wish I was there to rally you through!!!! 😀 My heart is with ya!

 

[PITbull]

Now, you MUST send Ms. Austin out to pasture with Mr. Flores before any further communication with the company begins.


I am pretty sure she was not going to go back to flying trips like Flores claimed he was going to do. You must also consider the other folks on the negotiating team to see if they are really understanding your needs. Make no mistake, this will most likely not be a short lived process and will take some more time. But you have made your case loud and clear that you were not willing to except an inferior agreement just so you could get a couple dollar raise. It is not just about the money! Make sure your union leaders understand that as well.

At 72, Austin will retire. Send her out!

 

[SparrowHawk]

Let me throw something out here a minute. I was on the PBS thread and now I mostly understand what that is and why some people might like it while others not so much.

What jumped out at me is the system is automated which means it has some type of software that runs it. It's supposedly secure and can't be tweaked by Management. Bear in mind this is the same crack IT Team that gave you the Res Migration and compromised secure data, Do you really think that Management can't "play" with the software to achieve certain outcomes beneficial to it and not F/A's? Secondly do you trust management not to intervene by tweaking the software unbeknownst to you? ME, personally I wouldn't agree to a thing until I had a report in my hands from a 3rd party security consultant of AFA choosing (with US footing the bill) regarding the policies and protocols for the system.

I mean really do you trust Jerry Glass? Doug Parker? Scot Kirby? or Robert Isom?

Second thing is a 5 year deal when it takes at least 2 year after the contract is up? Excuse me but are you out of your minds? Short of a $10/hr across the board raise three years to me is a deal breaker. Especially with a looming merger on the horizon.

Like PITbull said, you guys did real good. NOW you have to build upon this success and put a metaphorical beat down on Jerry Glass and Parker.