Flights to Haneda, Japan
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Don't know when, but answers have been filed. Here is the docket, where you can read all of the filings:
http://www.regulations.gov/search/Regs/hom...T-OST-2010-0018
My guess is that DOT will issue proposed orders in April or May.
My prediction is that AA gets LAX and JFK, UA gets SFO and DL gets SEA or DTW.
http://www.regulations.gov/search/Regs/hom...T-OST-2010-0018
My guess is that DOT will issue proposed orders in April or May.
My prediction is that AA gets LAX and JFK, UA gets SFO and DL gets SEA or DTW.
About CAL, I don't think any of the HNL or GUM proposals have a chance. DOT isn't going to waste any of these four slots on Japanese tourist beach markets. Each country has 600 charter slots that can be used for HA's HNL and CO's GUM proposals. As AA pointed out, EWR is not a preferred gateway for business travelers, despite CO's insistence to the contrary. DL might be shut out considering its NRT dominance.
I entirely agree with you that beach markets should not get any of these slots, but that is extremely unlikely to happen. Especially with Hawaiian, a new entrant applicant.
It will, IMO, be:
HA HNL / CO EWR / AA LAX / UA SFO
It all but certain that no airline will get more than one slot pair.
A friend and I went through the applications and came up with the following route authorities based on the assumption that no airline would get more than one daily pair...
UA: SFO-HND
AA: LAX-HND
CO: EWR-HND
DL: DTW-HND
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BINGO, you have a winner. And I think the prior posters hope, if they did not predict, this will be the outcome. I firmly believe that HNL will not win a pairing.
Article discussing AA v CO for the likely NYC route:
http://www.thestreet.com/_yahoo/story/1070...E&cm_ite=NA
http://www.thestreet.com/_yahoo/story/1070...E&cm_ite=NA
Interesting article. Mostly a pretty well written piece consider the biased or ignorant drivel that typical gets produced about aviation/airlines.
I am scratching my head as to why a slot would be an issue. I can't see why AA couldn't swap one crappy little EMB Eagle slot and move it to a B777 to Japan.
After all, even the smallest Embraer takes up as much airspace for takeoff and landing as a A380.
I am scratching my head as to why a slot would be an issue. I can't see why AA couldn't swap one crappy little EMB Eagle slot and move it to a B777 to Japan.
After all, even the smallest Embraer takes up as much airspace for takeoff and landing as a A380.
I agree. Much better than Ted Reed's typical drivel.
EWR and JFK are both heavily congested in the early evening but I agree - AA could certainly add one daily flight.
Edit: I read that passage again and I think I've figured it out:
Kamen, the spokesman for CO, is saying that because of the slot controls at JFK, AA will have a harder time adding new connecting services at JFK.
While probably accurate, with the huge O&D to Japan at NYC, I would hope a JFK-HND flight wouldn't rely too heavily on connections. Besides, there's plenty of connectivity already to BOS, WAS and MIA, among others.
EWR and JFK are both heavily congested in the early evening but I agree - AA could certainly add one daily flight.
Edit: I read that passage again and I think I've figured it out:
Kamen, the spokesman for CO, is saying that because of the slot controls at JFK, AA will have a harder time adding new connecting services at JFK.
While probably accurate, with the huge O&D to Japan at NYC, I would hope a JFK-HND flight wouldn't rely too heavily on connections. Besides, there's plenty of connectivity already to BOS, WAS and MIA, among others.
One of the other applicants (I think it was UA) pointed out that UA was the only airline committed to keeping its NRT flights from its HND gateway (SFO); anyone think AA will abandon NRT from LAX or JFK, assuming AA gets one or both of its requested slots?
