Flights to Haneda, Japan

[WorldTraveler]

DOT rejected the appeals filed by UA and CO and made permanant their tentative awards to HA, DL and AA:

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/DOT-awards-soughtafter-air-apf-582239318.html?x=0&.v=2

With this award, Delta becomes the largest transpacific operator at HND just as it is at NRT. It is also noteworthy that NW operated its operations at HND prior to NRT's opening.

As for alliance issue, the awards actually do award the routes fairly evenly across alliance lines. Depending on what aircraft ANA and JAL use, they will be be pretty close to the same same given that DL's 744s have well above average seating capacity. oneworld's 3 flights given them a decent presence and provides the potential for them to begin to develop HND as a hub - although it's not clear how much HNL-HND will contribute to intra-Asia flights even if the the slot times were optimal.

Still, it is good to see the awards finalized which will allow marketing of the routes to begin and help contribute to the success of each carrier on those routes.

 

[jersey777]

http://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/american-airlines-applauds-the-us-department-of-transportation-for-awarding-right-to-fly-between-new-york-kennedy-and-tokyo-haneda-97882739.html




Whatever happened to the October start-up? Now we are back to January. I am still waiting for the announcement that AA is dropping JFK-NRT.

 

[Hopeful]

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/American-Airlines-Applauds-prnews-1039139648.html?x=0&.v=1

 

[jersey777]

http://aa.mediaroom.com/index.php?s=43&item=2920






Like I said on the other thread....what happened to the October 1st, 2010 start-up? Also, JFK-GIG was supposed to start in October and has been pushed back to November. What about the 6th JFK-LHR that others have said is supposed to start in the fall? I haven't seen anything from AA on this. JFK-FCO being shelved for the winter months as well as JFK-MAN. Would someone please tell me when this growth in JFK is going to start. Like I said before, we are just shuffling flights around. Wait till we here that JFK-NRT is being cancelled. I'm still waiting for that to happen.

 

[eolesen]

Six month lead time seems pretty standard. No sense starting up any sooner as business traffic drops during Nov/Dec for most business markets.

 

[jersey777]

Six month lead time seems pretty standard. No sense starting up any sooner as business traffic drops during Nov/Dec for most business markets.

So why the press release stating October 1st? When are the other carriers starting their service? I am just tired of false promises from this company from so many angles.

 

[FWAAA]

http://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/american-airlines-applauds-the-us-department-of-transportation-for-awarding-right-to-fly-between-new-york-kennedy-and-tokyo-haneda-97882739.html

Whatever happened to the October start-up? Now we are back to January. I am still waiting for the announcement that AA is dropping JFK-NRT.

The new slots don't become available until the new fourth runway opens at HND and the current schedule for completion is October 31, so AA's earlier October 1 proposed startup date made no sense. The final award makes clear that all carriers must initiate service within 90 days of October 31. As eolesen said, a six month lead time is not unreasonable.

With JAL retiring all of its 747s within a year and rumours that JAL has recently canceled some 777 orders, if any JFK-NRT flying is canceled, I'd guess that it would be JAL's JFK flight. JAL has already announced that GRU is canceled.

 

[WorldTraveler]

The new slots don't become available until the new fourth runway opens at HND and the current schedule for completion is October 31, so AA's earlier October 1 proposed startup date made no sense. The final award makes clear that all carriers must initiate service within 90 days of October 31. As eolesen said, a six month lead time is not unreasonable.

With JAL retiring all of its 747s within a year and rumours that JAL has recently canceled some 777 orders, if any JFK-NRT flying is canceled, I'd guess that it would be JAL's JFK flight. JAL has already announced that GRU is canceled.

AA says it will start its HND flight on Jan 20, 2011 from its press release.

American will serve the JFK – Tokyo (Haneda) route starting Jan. 20, 2011, with 247-seat Boeing 777 aircraft, which can carry 16 passengers in First Class, 37 in Business Class, and 194 in Economy Class. American will announce its JFK-Tokyo (Haneda) schedule shortly.

Since the schedule was filed as part of the route application and the requested slot times, I'm not sure what there is to announced as far as the schedule goes.

 

[FWAAA]

Depending on what aircraft ANA and JAL use, they will be be pretty close to the same same given that DL's 744s have well above average seating capacity.

I give those 744s about 4-6 months before DL rationalizes the capacity to a 777 from DTW and a 763 or A330 from LAX. DL learned well the lesson of UA and IAD (where the DOT focused on the tremendous capacity of UA's 744s) and won the LAX route in part based on DL's larger airplanes - but economic reality will set in and the 744s will be history.