Fragment Clause

[BottomFeeder]

Just wondering what DALPA has for a fragment clause in their contract?

 

[michael707767]

Just wondering what DALPA has for a fragment clause in their contract?

fragment away. If we merge with USAir, the Delta pilots are f**ked anyway. So whether we merge with USAir or are fragmented, really doesn't matter to me either way.

 

[phasersonstun2]

fragment away. If we merge with USAir, the Delta pilots are f**ked anyway. So whether we merge with USAir or are fragmented, really doesn't matter to me either way.

To borrow prose from Gomer Pyle:

Negative, negative, negative.

Why does a scenario with USAirways have to be a negative outcome? Why can't you and others who share your outlook think positive?

 

[Flufdriver]

To borrow prose from Gomer Pyle:

Negative, negative, negative.

Why does a scenario with USAirways have to be a negative outcome? Why can't you and others who share your outlook think positive?

Because they are NOT programmed too!

 

[wings396]

fragment away. If we merge with USAir, the Delta pilots are f**ked anyway. So whether we merge with USAir or are fragmented, really doesn't matter to me either way.

And may I ask why you would be? I would imagine that all of the DL pilots would be protected on their current equipment for quite some time. If your contract is the surviving one, which it should be what will you all lose?
As I have stated before, a relative of mine was with DL for many years and I don't recall them telling me of any
Northeast or Western pilots that were severly screwed. Do you guys even know what you are afraid of with US, or is it just because Gerry tells you to be??

 

[BoeingBoy]

Leaving DL's stand-alone plan aside for a moment, can anyone name another merger partner for DL where the DOJ could require more asset divestures than a US/DL merger? You can start with the Shuttle operations.....

Jim

 

[757inthebarrel]

Leaving DL's stand-alone plan aside for a moment, can anyone name another merger partner for DL where the DOJ could require more asset divestures than a US/DL merger? You can start with the Shuttle operations.....

Jim

Exactly. The deal makes no sense to Parker outside of BK for this reason. As stated before, DALPA has heard the confidential details of the plan and will do whatever it takes to stop it. The other creditors will weigh the prospect of an irate pilot group and the effect it will have on their investment.

 

[wings396]

I must once again ask, what exactly are the major fears of the DL pilot group? I understand that the Shuttle operation would have to go, but does that require that DL pilots and/or A/C must go with it? Assests could be nothing more than gates and slots. Can't the A/C and crews be used on other routes which may include some new ones?
If AA or anyone else buys the Shuttle, they may use their own A/C and crews to operate them, correct....I am not trying to be a buster here, just looking for some reasonalbe answers.....

 

[BoeingBoy]

Question #2 - which network carrier has extra airplanes sitting around unused to start up a shuttle operation?

Bonus question #3 - with Parker's merger plan calling for getting rid of 15% of the US fleet, why would any US pilot be in favor of this merger?

Jim

 

[michael707767]

Question #2 - which network carrier has extra airplanes sitting around unused to start up a shuttle operation?

Bonus question #3 - with Parker's merger plan calling for getting rid of 15% of the US fleet, why would any US pilot be in favor of this merger?

Jim

I would respond to the questions, but Jim is doing a great job.

 

[Ch. 12]

I must once again ask, what exactly are the major fears of the DL pilot group? I understand that the Shuttle operation would have to go, but does that require that DL pilots and/or A/C must go with it? Assests could be nothing more than gates and slots. Can't the A/C and crews be used on other routes which may include some new ones?
If AA or anyone else buys the Shuttle, they may use their own A/C and crews to operate them, correct....I am not trying to be a buster here, just looking for some reasonalbe answers.....

You're thinking of seniority lists and who stays/goes. We at Delta are thinking of the business. It makes NO business sense for this merger to go through b/c it adds significantly to the debt and does nothing to bolster the business. Sure...Parker is salivating b/c he would get a boat-load of 767s (the real reason for his desire) and could finally expand internationally w/o having to worry about one mx issue taking down several European lines. If you can back away from contract issues and actually look at this as an on-going business, it makes no sense. Parker can't even blend the two carriers he has now.

Now US/HP did make sense b/c you had a prominent east coast merging with a prominent west coast. His current proposal is not of any benefit to DL b/c all that it would mean is that DL would have to tear down places where it has a strong foot-hold (shuttle, LGA slots, small communities, NE-Florida). Tearing these things down would only mean that B6, FL, and WN fill right in (+ another 25-50% capacity in normal LCC - not US Air but REAL LCC - fashion).

So to answer your question...DL pilots, FAs, frontline, and mgmt have enough BUSINESS sense to understand the deal...we think well beyond the little issues that you are fixated on.

 

[phasersonstun2]

You're thinking of seniority lists and who stays/goes. We at Delta are thinking of the business. It makes NO business sense for this merger to go through b/c it adds significantly to the debt...

It's true that Parker wants 767's for Intl. use. Delta is flying 767-300's domestically, and they sit overnight in cities like Charlie south and FLL. I have seen them. But come on, he wouldn't get the banks to throw in billions of dollars for a couple dozen jets. That's just plain silly. There is a sense to this- I am assuming - that investment bankers and Bethune as well as early Justice reviewers are aware of but we are not due to anti-trust. Hopefully it will make sense to all of us.

 

[NAPAUS]

And may I ask why you would be? I would imagine that all of the DL pilots would be protected on their current equipment for quite some time. If your contract is the surviving one, which it should be what will you all lose?
As I have stated before, a relative of mine was with DL for many years and I don't recall them telling me of any
Northeast or Western pilots that were severly screwed. Do you guys even know what you are afraid of with US, or is it just because Gerry tells you to be??

B) B) B) They along with their f/a's are scared shi$$less because they screwed everybody in their past mergers. Bad KARMA- what goes around comes around. DAL F/A's WILL NEVER , EVER GET their senority from UAL or NWA. So remember this is what alot of this is all about, and the fact that they actually BELIEVE they have a say in what happens LOLOL...

 

[NYCDelta]

B) B) B) They along with their f/a's are scared shi$$less because they screwed everybody in their past mergers. Bad KARMA- what goes around comes around. DAL F/A's WILL NEVER , EVER GET their senority from UAL or NWA. So remember this is what alot of this is all about, and the fact that they actually BELIEVE they have a say in what happens LOLOL...

Care to back up your LIES with cold hard facts? Unless you can-anything you say is completely irrelevant. We've only merged with Chicago & Southern, Northeast, and Western. They all got raises with their seniority-and I never heard any of them complaining. We bought Pan Am ASSETS, and offered SOME of their F/A's jobs. Even they got SOME seniority, which I believe is better than being unemployed. And, I'm sorry you are too dense to understand this, because it's been talked about ad nauseum, but AFA bylaws state DATE OF HIRE. So, get off the DL board, and go spew your negativity soemwhere else. We don't need it here!

 

[donttouchthebeauty]

Care to back up your LIES with cold hard facts? Unless you can-anything you say is completely irrelevant. We've only merged with Chicago & Southern, Northeast, and Western. They all got raises with their seniority-and I never heard any of them complaining. We bought Pan Am ASSETS, and offered SOME of their F/A's jobs. Even they got SOME seniority, which I believe is better than being unemployed. And, I'm sorry you are too dense to understand this, because it's been talked about ad nauseum, but AFA bylaws state DATE OF HIRE. So, get off the DL board, and go spew your negativity soemwhere else. We don't need it here!

Ummm NYCDELTA - get your facts straight hon... AFA bylaws state DOH if you merge with another AFA carrier.. if not then it is fair game... yes USAIR has been very considerate with giving DOH even when they dont have to.. but dont be so sure that they will when you are flapping those southern jaws about your fabulous airline - ( not so much) And it looks like DAL is going to be no longer soon.. so i would get out that patch kit and put on your landing lips and get ready to mend some fences and kiss some ARSE b/c you are going to need it...