Gasoline up 100% under Obama

[xUT]

Socialism or Social Justice whatever you desire to call it is never good when mandated by Government. Social Security is a farce and a scar upon freedom and personal liberty. Actually it was an cynical pre election year fraud perpetrated by FDR's desire to be re-elected. Life expectancy then was under 60 and benefits didn't kick in until 65.

Any sitting POTUS has a tool at their disposal that IMO is underutilized. That tool is the worlds largest Bully Pulpit from which to encourage all of us to do better. Do better at work, home and in the community where we live. Yes we can tax and redistribute wealth as we are now with often dubious results or we can inspire the population to worthy endeavors, that while freedom and liberty are conferred to us not by government, but by our creator that these freedoms carry powerful obligations and responsibilities as a citizen of these United States.

The place for socialism and social justice is in the hands of those who embrace the basic concept that we are morally obligated to help each other. The role of government in the Republic is to foster opportunity for all, so that those inclined have the ability to share their wealth not by government edict, but out of a sense of duty and honor to their fellow man. Utopia? Perhaps. But any effort that gets us closer to that ideal should be embraced

IMHO, original concept of Social Security as a 'retirement' tool was valid and sustainable (in it's original concept). The years of abuse to add every swinging weenie with a social problem into the system 'is not' sustainable.
We can't have some 'single mother' with 6 kids from 8 different fathers all on the dole. We have generations of people that couldn't do a days work if they wanted.
We also have hard working people trying to raise families and save for retirement face some economic (death/illness/etc...) tragedy. What do we do with these families?

Give them a card board box and say, "Tuff Nutts!"?

Looking at how much of a fantastic mess we are in now, I can't see how we can clean it up.
But these issues are just superficial scratches in the problems facing social programs today and in the future.

Yea, cut all social programs and depend on the capitalists in a free market to determine social reforms. :wacko:
Back to child labor and 80 hour work weeks.
No Thanks!
B) xUT

 

[eolesen]

We also have hard working people trying to raise families and save for retirement face some economic (death/illness/etc...) tragedy. What do we do with these families?

Give them a card board box and say, "Tuff Nutts!"?

Back before God was deemed politically incorrect, we had churches and faith based charities helping support those types of situations.

And we still have faith based charities, fortunately. When you reduce social welfare provided by the state, it is almost always replaced by faith based systems. The "problem" is that they expect people to become independent along the way, and also take some personal responsibility in sustaining themselves...

 

[delldude]

That is the point I have been making all along. This is a not a zero sum game. Regulations are not bad all the time. Capitalism is not bad all the time. And no, socialism is not bad all the time. Perhaps it is time to start taking the good things out of various systems.

Hitler did it and took to a new level.

 

[Ms Tree]

So is your position that one guy screwed up so we are stuck with the broken system that we have? Is there no other possible out come? All theories have been tried and failed?

 

[dapoes]

Twas his plan all along....

OBAMA PROMISES TO RAISE YOUR ENERGY BILLS wants Government "Price Signals" "Change



At least that's one campaign promise kept.

 

[Kev3188]

Socialism or Social Justice whatever you desire to call it is never good when mandated by Government. Social Security is a farce and a scar upon freedom and personal liberty. Actually it was an cynical pre election year fraud perpetrated by FDR's desire to be re-elected. Life expectancy then was under 60 and benefits didn't kick in until 65.

The other piece not being addressed is that by cutting programs like Soial Security people stay in the workforce longer. More workers in the pool drives up supply, and puts downward pressure on wages.

The place for socialism and social justice is in the hands of those who embrace the basic concept that we are morally obligated to help each other. The role of government in the Republic is to foster opportunity for all, so that those inclined have the ability to share their wealth not by government edict, but out of a sense of duty and honor to their fellow man. Utopia? Perhaps. But any effort that gets us closer to that ideal should be embraced

I don't think helping each other out is utopian at all. In fact it's one of the things that made this nation great. the problem is that a "me me me" opinion has been manufactured by corporate elite. They benefit while we're busy fighting each other.

 

[dapoes]

Nov 2007 Obama's own words:
"I think it's important to send price signals to change behavior"
"Those who can afford it are going to have to pay more"

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MISSION ACCOMPLISHED​

 

[WorldTraveler]

I have not read every post in this thread but what appears to be missing in this whole discussion is the strength of the US economy relative to other global economies and currencies.
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Oil is priced in US dollars but we live in a global economy where many currencies have improved relative to the US dollar. When you combine that with the fact that more and more consumers worldwide are fighting for the relatively same amount of oil, it is a given that the weakening US economy and dollar relative to other developing economies such as India, China, and Brazil is costing Americans plenty not only at the gas pump but in other commodities.
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Oil price increases are not being felt around the world as they are in the US because those other currencies are appreciating relative to the US dollar. It is Americans and their weak economy that are suffering.
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Sure, domestically produced oil is not subject to the political aspirations of those who hate the US but domestic oil production alone cannot bring down the price of oil if the fundamental problem is that oil is priced in US dollars but the US dollar is weak.
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there is one way to lower the price of oil and that is fix the US economy. Regardless of your political persuasions you fix the US economy by creating jobs and reducing the growing amount of debt which the US carries, both publicly and privately.
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Without addressing the root cause of the weak US economy, rising oil prices will be a painful and very visible reminder that the US economy is faililng relative to the emerging global economic powers.

 

[delldude]

I have not read every post in this thread but what appears to be missing in this whole discussion is the strength of the US economy relative to other global economies and currencies.
.
Oil is priced in US dollars but we live in a global economy where many currencies have improved relative to the US dollar. When you combine that with the fact that more and more consumers worldwide are fighting for the relatively same amount of oil, it is a given that the weakening US economy and dollar relative to other developing economies such as India, China, and Brazil is costing Americans plenty not only at the gas pump but in other commodities.
.
Oil price increases are not being felt around the world as they are in the US because those other currencies are appreciating relative to the US dollar. It is Americans and their weak economy that are suffering.
.
Sure, domestically produced oil is not subject to the political aspirations of those who hate the US but domestic oil production alone cannot bring down the price of oil if the fundamental problem is that oil is priced in US dollars but the US dollar is weak.
.
there is one way to lower the price of oil and that is fix the US economy. Regardless of your political persuasions you fix the US economy by creating jobs and reducing the growing amount of debt which the US carries, both publicly and privately.
.
Without addressing the root cause of the weak US economy, rising oil prices will be a painful and very visible reminder that the US economy is faililng relative to the emerging global economic powers.

Nice post.

Domestic drilling and production will effect futures trading and the price of oil.
Our economy is failing due to lack of leadership and lack of free market ideology and vision at the executive level.

 

[WorldTraveler]

Nice post.

Domestic drilling and production will effect futures trading and the price of oil.
Our economy is failing due to lack of leadership and lack of free market ideology and vision at the executive level.

I am currently in one of those countries that has a strong economy and gas prices have not increased much because the local currency has appreciated relative to the dollar at just about the same rate that the price of oil in USD has increased; the net result is that retail gas prices here are virtually unchanged.
Amazing how that works isn't it?
I agree that domestic drilling can help but my point is that because oil is priced in USD, even domestically produced oil will be sold at the same prices as the global market will bear.
The solution is to fix the US economy and that includes reducing government spending since the US has to sell its debt to foreigners. If we didn't have to continue to look to foreigners to buy our debt, then the value of the dollar would increase.
It's basic macroeconomics.

 

[delldude]

I am currently in one of those countries that has a strong economy and gas prices have not increased much because the local currency has appreciated relative to the dollar at just about the same rate that the price of oil in USD has increased; the net result is that retail gas prices here are virtually unchanged.
Amazing how that works isn't it?
I agree that domestic drilling can help but my point is that because oil is priced in USD, even domestically produced oil will be sold at the same prices as the global market will bear.
The solution is to fix the US economy and that includes reducing government spending since the US has to sell its debt to foreigners. If we didn't have to continue to look to foreigners to buy our debt, then the value of the dollar would increase.
It's basic macroeconomics.

Agreed.....we need to keep US dollars as the baseline or I fear if not, US prices on most things will go out of bounds astronomically.

 

[dapoes]

President Obama Blames
You
for High Gas Prices​

President Barack Obama deflected blame for high gas prices yesterday, by blaming American consumers for their automobile choices. According to the AP, at an event at a wind turbine plant, “Obama needled one questioner who asked about gas prices.” Obama laughingly said: “If you’re complaining about the price of gas and you’re only getting 8 miles a gallon, you know…you might want to think about a trade-in.” (The AP later scrubbed this quote from its stories)

For most Americans, however, high gas prices are no laughing matter. And for the president to suggest that a taxpayer’s inability to buy a new $40,000+ hybrid vehicle (that still requires gas) is the root problem, rather than his price-increasing oil policies is shameful.

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What would the liberal MSM have said if it was Bush who made such a statement?​

2012 Cant come fast enough!​

 

[dapoes]

Let them eat cake moment

 

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[SparrowHawk]

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Well this time she happens to be spot on. Obama is a scar upon the land.