Giant BILLBOARD

[UAL_TECH]

'ALPO' sucks :down:
Posting a stupid BB sucks as well :blink:

Labor (LABOR means Pilots also) has only one (1) ein, uno, etc... tool in the toolbox, and if this is never used to smack anti-labor in the forehead, then all else is blow.

The rest of these 'labor actions' result in ruining the company, disenfranchising your fellow employees, and making you look stupid (if that is more possible 😛 ) to the public.

B) UT

 

[SpinDoc]

Why would you say that?

The power of negative publicity is always underestimated. This is a media driven society where Anna Nicole's funeral drives the Iraq war off the front page.

If that billboard causes a 1% drop in bookings in CLT it will have a huge impact. The Sandcastle doesn't understand much IMO but they never met a spreadsheet they didn't love and if the numbers look like crap it wil move things along.

SpinDoc replies:

The billboard on I-95 in PHL is right after the airport exit, and it's totally juvenile and not professional at all. Honestly, I think people probably kind of laugh when they see it. I know I laugh when I see it.

Great billboard ! This company hates the press and I am sure they will pay someone to pull it down. They posted a huge banner on the terminal, "city of brotherly love" , fly Usairways. If only the customer knew how they treat their employees ! If only the customer knew how they hid 1200 bags in baggage service from the media? OOPS , let the cat out of the bag.

SpinDoc replies:

Go to ANY airline hub city during irregular operations and see just how easy it is to keep up with cancelled flights, and customer rerouting. Your claim is bull, and if it is not, then provide actual proof before shooting off your mouth on a public forum.

 

[700UW]

I understand perfectly.
Apparently Not!

You have been called out.
Wrong again, prove it

From this point forward you speak for the company.
I don't even work for US.

You have my sympathy.
And your loved ones have my pity for dealing with someone so ignorant.

Bolding added by me

I have never posted anything for the company, never been a company man and never will be.

I have held numerous positions for the IAM and represented the membership and always fought for them during my tenure.

If you had a brain you would be able to figure it out, if you make the accusations, then prove it otherwise, just give it up because the whole boards know you are completely off base.

 

[Bear96]

700UW,

Maybe you're truly not aware of it, but your posts do not exactly give people the "warm and fuzzies" about unionism.

If someone is sitting on the fence about whether or how much to support unions, many of your posts can serve to drive that person into the management camp.

Even someone who is solidly pro-union would read many of your posts and wish you would change your style, because you just do not give the movement a good name with how you usually post.

Those who are already anti-union probably get a good chuckle out of your posts and think, "People like that are why I am pro-management," and hope your postings continue.

Just an observation.

 

[SKY HIGH]

SpinDoc replies:

The billboard on I-95 in PHL is right after the airport exit, and it's totally juvenile and not professional at all. Honestly, I think people probably kind of laugh when they see it. I know I laugh when I see it.
SpinDoc replies:

sky high states: I asked a local what they thought of the billboard, they said they had seen it and replied, "Is it safe to fly you guys?"
AFA has done some creative media through the years, anyone remember, I think it was in the early 90's when all the F/A's were given a flyer. Everyone taped them to their car windows. Hundreds and hundreds of cars with: AFA fighting for a fair contract, getting visibility. The cost, priceless.


only stating opinion

 

[Charlie_Tuna]

Dude how ignorant are you?

Some people on this board know me in real life.

Since he brought it up...I am one that knows 700uw in real life..I can attest to him being a (fill in the blank) in real life just as he is here in unreal life.

 

[Charlie_Tuna]

"The day that the Airline Worker takes an uncompromising step and realizes that he's within his rights, when his own economic freedom is being jeopardized, to use any means necessary to bring about his Economic freedom or put a halt to that injustice, I don't think he'll be by himself."

Posters NOTE: The words in Italics were changed by me. The quote is from Malcolm X. He was right 40 years ago and he's right today.

So let me understand what you are saying!
Or should I say what Malcolm X is saying?

So when Malcolm X said ""The day that the black man takes an uncompromising step and realizes that he's within his rights, when his own freedom is being jeopardized, to use any means necessary to bring about his freedom or put a halt to that injustice, I don't think he'll be by himself."

He was really talking about airline workers and economic freedom? Or did he mean black airline workers? Gee I must have been asleep in history class or it went right over my teachers head.

 

[Charlie_Tuna]

The point I was trying to make was that what Malcolm X said then regarding Blacks taking control of their economic freedom "By any means Necessary" Holds true for airline workers of today

Besides Quoting Malcolm X make rich white folks jumpy

That funny...I thought Malcolm X was talking about black mans freedom.

So is this what he meant to say?...The day that the black man takes an uncompromising step and realizes that he's within his rights, when his own economic freedom is being jeopardized, to use any means necessary to bring about his economic freedom or put a halt to that injustice, I don't think he'll be by himself.

By the way next time you change a persons quote don't be so tacky. Try removing the quotation marks.

 

[luvthe9]

Been up for a while in CLT.

Nice gesture, but it won't do a thing to get the pilots a new CBA.

It will make people think twice about who there flying!

 

[Charlie_Tuna]

Well Chucky Fish, I'm sorry you felt it was tacky. Should I PM my posts to you for approval now?

Oh wait I can't you told me not to PM you and I respect that.

I've read a great deal about Malcolm X and I find him to be a very interesting figure in our history. There are lessons in his words that apply to a great many of us even today.

Here is another quote to ponder:

"When a person places the proper value on freedom, there is nothing under the sun that he will not do to acquire that freedom. Whenever you hear a man saying he wants freedom, but in the next breath he is going to tell you what he won't do to get it, or what he doesn't believe in doing in order to get it, he doesn't believe in freedom. A man who believes in freedom will do anything under the sun to acquire . . . or preserve his freedom."

What is the matter you couldn't improve on that quote? I also see you like to take others quotes and change them. So when you say they apply to a great many of us today do you mean after you change the words and meaning or before?

That is right you can't PM me I blocked you. I don't like posters that PM people and reveal others behind their back.

re:Chucky Fish There you go again resorting to childish name calling when someone doesn't agree with you and won't stroke your ego for you.

 

[CV580ETOPS]

Dude how ignorant are you?

Some people on this board know me in real life.

You really need to put down the bottle, I don't even work for US anymore.

I have held numerous positions in the IAM.

You are really getting delusional and are reaching.

I am all union and always have been and still a member of organized labor.

But hey, once again, don't let the facts get in your way.

And I am still waiting for you to answer how the billboard has gotten ALPA a unified CBA, since it has been up for months.

"...held numerous positions in the IAM....";hmmmmm,now that's something to be proud of... NOT. And if you are no longer employed by USAir why bother posting on these boards
Buyout money run out?

 

[Flufdriver]

"...held numerous positions in the IAM....";hmmmmm,now that's something to be proud of... NOT. And if you are no longer employed by USAir why bother posting on these boards
Buyout money run out?

...often asked myself that, "Why would an individual continuue to 24/7 monitor and post their comments on a internet forum about a company they DON'T even work for anymore. If I'm retired or layed off, the last thing I'm doing all day is reading crap about my "Ex" employer...I can think of millions of different things to be doing then chatting about something that doesn't even apply to me anymore! Oh well...

I'm not totally referring to 700...there is several here that no longer work here that can't give it up!! The day after I retire...US Aviation.com gets deleted from my "Favorites". On to better things.....

 

[DCaf]

...often asked myself that, "Why would an individual continuue to 24/7 monitor and post their comments on a internet forum about a company they DON'T even work for anymore.

I assume because his 10,000 plus posts on this forum have won him a job working for a union that represents US employees.

Regarding the ALPA billboard, in my opinion the pilots have a fair contract already. What compensation does one deserve after the company they work for comes out of their 2nd bankruptcy? Pilots are the only front line employees who are NOT working short, yet now are working to make our job more difficult by their job action. And wasting fuel which will come right out of my next(hopefully) profit sharing check.
I have no sympathy for the poor pilots.

 

[Bear96]

The point I was trying to make was that what Malcolm X said then regarding Blacks taking control of their economic freedom "By any means Necessary" Holds true for airline workers of today

So you are saying airline workers' wages are low because of racism?

 

[Bear96]

NO! Where would you get that from? God you think the words of Malcolm X only apply to black folks. READ what he says. If you knew one wit about the man he was for economic empowerment as the best method to advance.

I think he advocated "whatever means necessary" for a specific group of people caught in specific circumstances because of pervasive institutional racism at all levels of American society, which left them no other realistic alternative to improve their lot.

I think it is quite a stretch to think he advocated "by whatever means necessary" for any old dispute, especially when the supposedly "oppressed" have other alternatives that were not realistically available to his audience. I seriously doubt he was aiming his "by whatever means necessary" at employed, and largely white, approximately-median-wage-earning airline workers, or would think they would be equally as justified as his intended audience in resorting to "whatever means necessary" to earn a few extra dollars.

By restorting to clever sound bites, you are cheapening his message, IMO.

I guess he would advocate "any means necessary" for privileged frequent flyers to get more upgrades too, right? And next time I am at the store and I see another shopper about to take the last box of Quaker Instant Oats, which I happen to want, Malcolm X would say I am justified in grabbing it out of her hands? After all, I should get what I want "by any means necessary" . . .